From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 21:56:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87oagf20bf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443902206 30248 80.91.229.3 (3 Oct 2015 19:56:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 03 21:56:32 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSux-00060E-Tc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 21:56:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39846 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSuw-0002Ez-Ty for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:56:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41942) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSut-0002C7-Fr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:56:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSus-0000oh-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:56:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSus-0000od-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:56:22 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59031 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiSus-0002YY-5d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:56:22 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF4FCF0D10; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 21:56:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Sat, 03 Oct 2015 12:26:32 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190820 Archived-At: "John Wiegley" writes: >>>>>> David Kastrup writes: > >> Uh, it's the fundamental tenet of the GNU project. Free Software's value >> does not rest on relative benefits and virtues but on the fundamental >> software freedoms. The stance of the FSF fundamentally differs from that of >> the "Open Source" software camp which tries to paint Free Software as a >> superior development model, consequently giving a nod to proprietary >> software as long as it is successful. > > Thanks for clarifying that, David, I very much appreciate your tone of > presentation. > >> The whole point of GNU is the non-acceptance of software denying the users >> the fundamental software freedoms. This constitutes a moral judgment and as >> such is indistinguishable from "demonizing opponents" or at the very least >> damning their actions. > > Then I respectfully withdraw myself as a candidate for > maintainer. Damning by implication is one thing; setting out to defame > other organizations in order to make one's own appear the standard of > virtue is something else entirely, and I do not wish to be associated > with such methods. > > Thanks to all for their supporting words and encouragement, and to the > FSF for having this frank and open discussion with me on the issues > that matter. Let me make clear here that I do not speak for the FSF and am neither a member nor a representative of it. So nothing I say constitutes any official statement by the FSF. I merely spent enough time discussing such matters that I believe myself to rarely end up far off the mark. -- David Kastrup