From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote. Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87oafugeia.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87si59wj42.fsf@T420.taylan> <878u6znii9.fsf@T420.taylan> <836123gfh2.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3krm0t3.fsf@T420.taylan> <5624F66F.1030600@yandex.ru> <87io63lzkg.fsf@T420.taylan> <562508B7.3020202@yandex.ru> <876122n5v3.fsf@T420.taylan> <22053.50324.60123.654292@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d1waknl1.fsf@T420.taylan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445327788 31440 80.91.229.3 (20 Oct 2015 07:56:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel To: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer=22?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 20 09:56:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoRmP-0002jx-5b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:56:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44398 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoRmO-0003Gz-Kz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36547) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoRmA-0003GJ-QA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:56:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoRm5-0001vx-PD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:56:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59340) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoRm4-0001vb-7f; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:56:00 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44926 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoRm2-0006qV-Cw; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5683DF44D; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:55:57 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87d1waknl1.fsf@T420.taylan> ("Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=5C=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1=2FKammer=5C=22=22's?= message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:26:18 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192160 Archived-At: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") writes: > This tells me that this development community (or at least certain > people in it) don't want my contribution for inexplicable reasons, in > particular not technical reasons. I do not see any possible sensible > definition of "the needs of the Emacs Project" that would lead to the > behavior I've seen from certain people here, so I disagree absolutely > that it could possibly be a misunderstanding on my side. > > > Moreover, I've been warned about emacs-devel by multiple people before, > and about a certain member of it in particular, and I did not believe it > could possibly be this bad. You don't need to speak in riddles. I am quite used to seeing my name explicitly written in such contexts. However, if you take the time and sort the replies according to their authors and look at what each individual actually has been writing rather than your current recollection, you'll find that your impression of an ongoing attack is simply untenable. Even if you focus on my contributions to that thread (and I'm not really much of a regular or typical here even though I have tried providing missing perspectives to several recent discussions recently with, I hope, mostly constructive results). The impression of a concerted attack that you fancy comes more about by several people sharing the same opinion and experience than by an insider/outsider setting and your recollection gets carried away with what you want to remember about the discussion. Really, reread the stuff and in particular find the parts that you remember as being particularly egregious. You'll find that your recollection is playing games with you more than the people on this list are. > Lest you think this is an isolated case. Maybe the previous victims > were less outspoken so the majority of the community still doesn't see > that there's a serious problem. If everybody tells you the same, chances are that "everybody is wrong then" is not the whole truth. --=20 David Kastrup