From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The poor state of documentation of pcase like things. Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:52:14 +0100 Message-ID: <87oad2irtd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20151216202605.GA3752@acm.fritz.box> <877fk1nnk0.fsf@web.de> <8760zlue3j.fsf@gmail.com> <87vb7kajgv.fsf@web.de> <83y4c9ag06.fsf@gnu.org> <87bn95m9eg.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5686CDFB.2010105@dancol.org> <83fuygcs5g.fsf@gnu.org> <56886E32.70305@yandex.ru> <83si2f9ve4.fsf@gnu.org> <56889EC3.3040108@yandex.ru> <877fjrkpdf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56892334.4000106@yandex.ru> <8760zakb7q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56892BDA.6060103@dancol.org> <871t9yk98g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <568936F0.3060505@yandex.ru> <87wprqitj5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56893C8C.3060200@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451836351 25176 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2016 15:52:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 15:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Eli Zaretskii , Daniel Colascione , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 03 16:52:29 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkxI-0003GS-Uf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:52:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42071 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkxI-0004Dy-A5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:52:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56641) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkxE-0004Cs-IF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:52:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkxD-0007dM-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:52:24 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43227) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkx6-0007ca-8R; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:52:16 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39656 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aFkx5-0002k1-Cb; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:52:15 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B9DA8DF551; Sun, 3 Jan 2016 16:52:14 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <56893C8C.3060200@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 3 Jan 2016 17:21:48 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197454 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 01/03/2016 05:15 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> So why would people write >> >> (pcase exp >> (`nil nil) ... > > Easier to just use the same kind of quote everywhere? More like "easier" to just use the _only_ documented kind of quote for pcase everywhere. We don't use quasiquote all over the rest of Emacs just because it is "easier to just use the same kind of quote everywhere". >> ? What's with the overuse of quasiquote? > > You should ask those people. I suspect it would be the poor state of documentation of pcase like things. At any rate, while we are still figuring out how to use and not use pcase in the Emacs code base, I don't see the point in diverting the discussion to emacs-tangents silently. However, it would seem to indicate that the proponents of pcase do not want to see their actions discussed, so I'm not going to respond to this thread anymore either way. It would appear that we are on course replacing consensual agreed-upon action with battling commits and stifling speech. -- David Kastrup