From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unbalanced change hooks (part 2) [Documentation fix still remaining] Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:20:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87oa495gne.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <83h9ashfgx.fsf@gnu.org> <831t1wharr.fsf@gnu.org> <20160810161821.GB3413@acm.fritz.box> <83wpjofttf.fsf@gnu.org> <20160810185735.GD3413@acm.fritz.box> <20160811112951.GA2154@acm.fritz.box> <7e1478b6-cf00-fcbf-8c24-43bdaa57e2b6@dancol.org> <415d1cca-f32c-624e-a4be-9aadcf8a0f17@dancol.org> <83inujbpek.fsf@gnu.org> <871t16e476.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831t16nsvo.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1472642452 25639 195.159.176.226 (31 Aug 2016 11:20:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:20:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: dancol@dancol.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 31 13:20:48 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bf3ZX-0006AH-UR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:20:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53555 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bf3ZV-0002kr-F2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:20:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bf3ZJ-0002ha-4H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:20:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bf3ZH-0002MT-6q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:20:32 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:56659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bf3ZA-0002LJ-DM; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:20:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=Dri/JXnQxMgMryDN828f4EUc5/sBlA09kp8X2ZPYUBw=; b=OIoQrFTsMX5FDSD2PR9qTgnqZ/ 5+rE9N8GnkeWsvM5mxl/cl9TyZVJ3M44K+ZKMi4o+DfbsweSP35ut8aVqAPfUzqikucw8YKQb+Jd2 nWuYzXW4mVnSLxVgimc8VyPCf6Fbik7/ROhXh3Cm4OFMp7zY9Q/g8V40KabsEDDle5Ic8bYcXcGk1 ygLX2zhOkI5GUOpnuvkHAEi4SCiuPp1JQzZvOFpn9vhN257na4bUp/clpCsvq5ExcPf2wKIaNjJ/7 Dz5Hbyr3omNcvyP5EgEwc8tbpmVbR95iC21b3yIDQ/11uwOvua9ANbSebylxopbxDt4cWn6p5/kRO F2rchTuQ==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-60.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.60]:62581 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bf3Z8-000t5U-2V; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:20:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: <831t16nsvo.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:06:35 +0300") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207021 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Can I deliberately misinterpret this as saying that you think that the >> changes would be fine so long as we add lots of tests at the same time? > > Not "at the same time", but "as a prerequisite" for any serious > consideration of such changes. IOW, I want to see the tests first, > decide whether I like their degree of coverage, and only then I will > be prepared to _talk_ about any changes in this area. And the first > step in that talk will have to be someone presenting a rather complete > design of the changes, including an analysis of the current callers > and how each one (or each class) of them will work under the new > design. Actually, for me, any individual change that removes inconsistency between the b-c-f and a-c-f locations is a positive thing. I already have a fall back plan, but the fewer times this is called, the more efficient my code gets. Phil