From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making seq.el an Elpa core package? Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:54:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87o96hnhsd.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87o96qvnmz.fsf@petton.fr> <87o96qtn6i.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87k1hexnvd.fsf@petton.fr> <87mum3x84d.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831s3e7uel.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="241148"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cc: nicolas@petton.fr, juri@linkov.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 12 00:04:08 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h3Txo-0010bT-1Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:04:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41686 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3Txm-0003vY-VP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:04:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3TuB-0000lV-39 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:00:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3Tom-000383-DB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:39088) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h3Toi-000377-3E; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:54:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1IiWtRlGJ5z84KIcxlSTN7jroU0ej9cf8bT5AhUHcTM=; b=VnLp8q8VTcpd2B5MDrRdUkDyF ZCWm5MHcWV9+qyF/aYLbOuAZfwV58dfCpxOBm5VMlNsYBMP7zZNIN/RtdLRzgfWfvc1Vdbd5UCohr ki1IK/mj3KTxlX61TdfYamy1kFrBYDOQXwa+DTFYHvlG6UWiuBsggDtryNKGpF8VO72tMRX+n0CU/ q28dWE5QN72SgTonF0Ql/5CBkRTG0+ggQWGSLbxZiLrJ4VRjWGzn5fWV4R7vmTEWoTvW9E4ySI6G9 QRrxaIgKoh+vIgGAPU/3i8rfevgW0zoyOpSChkgfnNSmPML8W7XlkyG5Pqgc8twENIhQbewIpiE5F p+bNfpLew==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:38498 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1h3Tog-0004Kc-Ja; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:54:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: <831s3e7uel.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:04:18 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234079 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) >> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:48:50 +0000 >> Cc: Emacs Devel , Juri Linkov >> >> I think that there is a lot to be said for explicit dependencies between >> packages and minimizing the number of things that are pre-loaded. Most >> packages load so quickly these days that the user rarely notices; or >> wouldn't if we removed the "loading" messages. > > The principle always was that we preload packages which will be loaded > by any session at startup or very soon afterwards anyway. I don't > think it matters how long do they load, because loading just once will > always be faster. Okay. I can see this for packages like "simple", perhaps "nadvice". I struggle a bit with "language/sinhala", "uniquify" or even "isearch". Phil