From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 12:29:22 +0200 Message-ID: <87o8qx5rlp.fsf@randomsample> References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <83zhaij4qn.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd6ihns.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wphblf.fsf@gnu.org> <875zd57e7e.fsf@randomsample> <837dxlh77o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rnt7cbd.fsf@randomsample> <834ksph5ss.fsf@gnu.org> <87wo5l5whg.fsf@randomsample> <831rnth29c.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgg95scy.fsf@randomsample> <83r1vtflst.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="20795"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 12:29:59 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXMk3-0005KZ-2D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:29:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59120 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXMk2-0000g3-4p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 06:29:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXMjY-000081-1b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 06:29:28 -0400 Original-Received: from zplane.randomsample.de ([2a03:4000:42:1a1:9400:eeff:feb4:c8a0]:57394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXMjW-0002YN-IZ; Sat, 09 May 2020 06:29:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cRn8LXqJR9e44/p/2x4stRDYjvPaFrIsL6N4iql6yjU=; b=JlmmaqysAzzP9GvMUp76nwwgb UptlM/ZfBaAsm9B3CxunjZHoDAVJncOZUMy+juXaT/PVLHTSbgLqPWi0WOrcUkHACmabWJbvfIHEU PZIftv95RN7kKoSweX0TshSCXIfR9W2PAXEP3QZaLEobX7IbyS0UsZjULM7zXl80gYdFktLnObT/S 3v6oJuXvHFw74OCKhCI9xEmIEbK5UfvjSv41RQ0N1FoX97lOuNj1u2ekz8hqor2fse0voZBQle+rN 8Ko4A6WFV6d/4o/3y/Hc+ZfAPoOM6nYepGhpoVfxiImFMTT2uvu78Oh1B9bBMSCvcBxms4HR1rj1B SLwJjednQ==; Original-Received: from [95.90.186.238] (helo=void) by zplane.randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXMjS-0001Rd-U6; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:29:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83r1vtflst.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 09 May 2020 13:24:34 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a03:4000:42:1a1:9400:eeff:feb4:c8a0; envelope-from=deng@randomsample.de; helo=zplane.randomsample.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/09 03:35:57 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249392 Archived-At: >> From: David Engster >> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 12:13:01 +0200 > >> >> > I could understand if you'd say "use" instead of "recommend", >> > i.e. have code in Emacs, which, if a package is installed, would use >> > it. That'd actually have the package's name in our sources, and would >> > constitute some kind of "endorsement". But as long as we don't use >> > any of those packages, why should we care what other people like or >> > don't like? >> >> Sorry, but you lost me there. All I'm saying is that there's a whole lot >> of terrific packages out there but which we must not recommend to users, >> although they are free software and often vastly superior to the things >> that are built into Emacs. For instance, there's a discussion going on >> about making a video showing Emacs' capabilities, but I assume we'd not >> be allowed to show Magit. That's a huge loss. > > So package maintainers are supposed to want to be on ELPA so that they > could appear in a video, or in someone's message on a GNU mailing > list? Really? No, package maintainers usually don't care. I think this should be in *our* interest. > Once again, I wasn't asking whether it was okay or not to show off > Magit in a video or promote it on this list, I was asking why do we > need ELPA when MELPA is out there and has many more packages (and > always will)? Indeed, one possibility would be to simply close GNU ELPA for everything but core or maybe-in-the-future-core packages. Is that what you're proposing? -David