From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:58:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87o8qwc88b.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <87wo5mc04t.fsf@fastmail.fm> <835zd5h6tq.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="62765"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 10 13:58:52 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXkbb-000GDa-Ta for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 13:58:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48352 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXkba-0004WH-Um for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 07:58:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXkb2-00042e-Ve for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 07:58:16 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:53098) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXkb1-0008BH-Jb; Sun, 10 May 2020 07:58:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=v2Kf5Tph8HW1z632NReIwyFWrQtyeTIeuH8GQjQpboE=; b=ccb7S9npKz2AlGifhkf915Oqp Ctee54ounHQn2Z1nW7Dqzkk8DrtUgI2Ab8myIu9HyR+Lph9xAxfTTB6B7s20VQy9LRZ62IGPcP8bA btAdR06/CX7tqeOgXBUxQY9uhvYY8linVHwitmK/sQCccM2+XlRI8DFa4vU21wXAFLjjGXPw5TmEA NQBqoyMgcv7QgwYMhj5HN/caxDZ4+SpW027UqBX8Xh2imcYxrr5Hc5kp7ooASW/J1ovre1y+0UFKp okrbqqNE9uNHx/B2Ut2PU9xkXUPgvoNhdl9kmxZ6dqNZbzzUFe4oaTGthTfbVr6Mzak/Z+QmI7bSv OdCdFoApg==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:44216 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jXkay-0006cj-SF; Sun, 10 May 2020 12:58:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 09 May 2020 09:50:03 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk Received-SPF: none client-ip=78.129.138.110; envelope-from=phillip.lord@russet.org.uk; helo=cloud103.planethippo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/10 07:48:12 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249648 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I tried to find that compromise again, all I found was "See my message > > to Stefan for a change that would make s.el ok to add." but could not > > find this message. If you would be so kind as to quote Richard again > > so I have his perspective. > > I proposed to prefix the function names with 'clo' on the > understanding that the names it defines are inspired by Clojure. I > said this would result in names such as 'clostring-prepend', because a > message I had read had led me to think that they started with > 'string-'. > > But maybe I was misled by what I had read. Do they actually start with 's-'? > > If so, I still propose the same compromise, prefixing with 'clo', but > it would result in names starting with 'clos-'. > > Would you like to send me the API documentation of s.el? The s.el API is actually quite a bit richer than that of clojure. Indeed, I found at least one non-standard clojure library that looks like s.el. So I think the logic is flowing the other way. So "clostring-prepend" doesn't really achieve anything other than making it unreadable. Magnar's clever choice of naming is, I think, one of the reasons people like his libraries. Why change a feature and turn it into unreadability. Phil