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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251583 Archived-At: On Thu, May 28 2020, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> This seems like a reasonable solution to me. Alternatively >> perhaps we >> just need to sell C-x C-f as "open a file or directory" rather >> than >> "find a file"? > > A directory *is* a file. And a smart phone is a computer, but that's not how most people think about it. :-) -- Joost Kremers Life has its moments