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[199.83.220.90]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u14sm2642784pfm.80.2020.09.11.07.53.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:53:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200911114013.vnr6k47bnfqbbvkv@Ergus> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::436; envelope-from=jackkamm@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x436.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255194 Archived-At: Ergus writes: > One thing at the time. Having an alternative to traditional undo that > could be enabled with one of the profiles we were discussing before or > throw an option in the menubar is (in my opinion) a good first step. I don't think this needs a profile -- just default keybindings for undo-only and undo-redo. In my usage, they don't replace the standard undo, rather they complement it.