From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: splash-screen Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:43:10 +0200 Message-ID: <87o8lslklt.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87d02ej7bq.fsf@gnus.org> <874knoekki.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu1fb8kb.fsf@gnus.org> <87blhurx3n.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28809"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: nicolas.rougier@inria.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 26 15:43:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMAUQ-0007PO-Ii for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:43:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58590 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMAUP-0006k0-IQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 09:43:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMATu-0006Kq-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 09:43:18 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:41902) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMATt-0002rj-5k; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 09:43:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=y9e/S25ukfG9MY9AGsC+Sc3G25xpaKpUuSISoGuhXgE=; b=Mt1SvKP8OeZ5Zxm/oP3rMOzhTf bPXFROXztMivBIhoCYrOmE70IyIJR4kE+LCQXZ6RnjGEfbEWuQVPPDbeaXJ8RYOTQOjyQQMg+1Ucm r+AAFoIgH2nB1azQu8EXecZPruphocM8yStJbw66MUUsZm/FOB3QCfGpHIV9QGy2KYss=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMATn-0007o6-Pq; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:43:15 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEVkXmgqHh6IeYig ZFK2hXRodYahjZr///+30dEnAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+QJGg0eHLst1n0AAAFySURB VDjLhZNLjoMwEEQLIu8zN0AeyJqRcwN8AMuSLxAh7n+E6Z/BIYnSG6R+dFV/AJD4eQl8AfgE+tC9 B2MM8wdwJpp3a4xLwCsoAubuBFzJb4ErAmJ46gwJhUJBay/pUrgrCryAHNmkLTGQLkGiO4Pb8gdm 8wnkja2JHB0bWGkjgAE0YCRnmMlVjmAghjt3JQDipMAvBGRG0C4OwEp3nYTApQUkIgXUwiU0UolS d1mKtCAd2EqWoOZh1oIK0mh5HkevoaDYrkgK8r6C5Io/APSuqkRb3JXQXV0RkORSSy1AR70mruHr GpgrKPbBlbw7hBa427ZagaqJSYLbNNal2qBQUfY3A5sYVZD3NIHYAt+CZfegKx0lq9xKhuMKIQ8D 9Df4UoFnNX54voqfkkpV9ODH7+htZm+Eax5+AgZM2hct3e8xoKc3Br5HcnSMlpDmwHNQ5JolmwGe 1WyFuSlBE1VrKHgON1HJhH7COfqzBv2y/6/ZsvIPFQRFAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIw LTA5LTI2VDEzOjMwOjI4KzAwOjAwnZ+grwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0wOS0yNlQx MzozMDoyOCswMDowMOzCGBMAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Jane Siberry's _The Walking_: "The Lobby" In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 26 Sep 2020 00:37:47 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256457 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > Shouting magical phrases at users is one of the things that makes the > > FSF look quaint and out of touch. > > I am sure that isn't a problem big enough to call for omission > of any of the important statements form the splash screen. > But it might suggest doing more to explain to the users why those > statements are needed there. But they aren't needed, according to every other software organisation in the world. Is your stance that all the other orgs just doesn't have as good legal counsel as the FSF, and the FSF therefore knows something that nobody else does? I guess it's possible? But it's unlikely. Open any other (non-GNU) program, free or non-free, and nobody will be shouting at you ABOUT THERE BEING NO WARRANTY. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no