From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Philip K." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:59:53 +0200 Message-ID: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21357"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 26 16:00:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMAki-0005Ss-01 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:00:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43610 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMAkh-0004qy-2y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 10:00:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53294) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMAk3-0004HA-7X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 09:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:53833) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMAk0-0004pr-QG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 09:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 594682400FD for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:59:54 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1601128794; bh=vZfbPOAAHTDmgDijLtxfjzO7lgiMeuRLuAmefC3nD18=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=iulOx/l+5FQyn02F9ERhyu5X1mLmqpJUXng3cXyDp3wFxZV0UsdWdLTUq9+2Zv/3H Q3/lfi4WccXpnhsQhwFjB3wuhTBPQRXoj5qDMFLvKJWBCZTtnT9MbFfVpJQlE7Yppb HUiyeCYv/7JuOlnYlTOD8gzvb9n/MRDOcP+9YRkErN6zU8I1l8/ducqeBNB3q/7tov zhpN5buPTieV5VkrDAXh61icXliVxCYZ2uO22iPxt/HIrBm3W6T2Omh/DGJ7Bj14Z6 QsYGgmJ2ZFq69vBJOPKnCWi5Xr9Mbk2+4U3cWl1jg0c7k/icYRyXIi6Z1XfH2i86HM /ecn9ZUqVSBkg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Bz9QK5CcDz9rxh; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:59:53 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (James Lu's message of "Sat, 26 Sep 2020 09:38:18 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/26 09:59:54 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256460 Archived-At: James Lu writes: > a la Don't Make Me Think by Steve Krug. I'm not familiar with the book, but from from [0] > The book's premise is that a good software program or web site should > let users accomplish their intended tasks as easily and directly as > possible. I guess I agree, but it seems to be a truism. Nobody wants to make software intentionally unusable, it's hard to imagine that people would still be using Emacs after all this time if that were the case. The question I see is should it be "Don't make me think" or "Don't make me learn". I get the first one, but you limit yourself to what you already know, if you want everything to already be familiar. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Make_Me_Think -- Philip K.