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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260843 Archived-At: In that mega thread about modernising Emacs, there was a lot of talk about getting more data about how people use Emacs, and then... do something accordingly. Behold: https://emacssurvey.org/2020/ So here's the first thread about actionable takeaways from the survey. (Consider all arguments about the survey not being representative as having been made already.) Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two thirds. So perhaps toolbars should default to off? I know toolbars were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now. Opinions? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no