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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264475 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:09:56 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: Eli> . analyze the bug report in debbugs DB, and see how many builds = are Eli> with any of these toolkits (turns out that athena =3D=3D lucid, so we=CA=BCre down to 5) Totally unscientific stats from debbugs mailboxes from Jan 2018 through to Sep 2020: ~/.../archives/emacs-bugs $ grep '^In.*pc-linux-gnu' 2018-* 2019-* 2020-*|wc -l 1594 ~/.../archives/emacs-bugs $ grep '^In.*pc-linux-gnu' 2018-* 2019-* 2020-*|grep -i gtk|wc -l 1274 ~/.../archives/emacs-bugs $ grep '^In.*pc-linux-gnu' 2018-* 2019-* 2020-*|grep -i 'x toolkit'|wc -l 268 ~/.../archives/emacs-bugs $ grep '^In.*pc-linux-gnu' 2018-* 2019-* 2020-*|grep -i 'motif'|wc -l 3 So it=CA=BCs ~80% GTK, 16% Lucid, and Motif can be removed. Eli> . look at GNU/Linux distros and see if they still provide builds Eli> with any of these toolkits, and what was the last version of E= macs Eli> when they did Debian provides gtk, lucid, and no-x builds. Robert