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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264912 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I take it that the conclusion to the question I asked ("is there a point >> to having the .elc files be compatible when the .el files aren't?") is >> "no, there's no point in that". >> >> Are we in agreement on that? > > No, we are not. Could you explain what your disagreement is on this point? That would be helpful. >> The other question you're now re-asking is: Does it make sense to >> introduce a new `interactive' form? >> >> And I've argued that point repeatedly, and I don't really wish to repeat >> myself. I can do so if you think it would help, though -- just let me >> know. > > I just cannot understand why you insist on this solution as the only > one, when there are others that can do the job without the downsides. > Is "compromise" a dirty word or something? OK, so you want me to re-iterate my arguments, once again? OK. I think that if mode tagging is something that is going to happen on a large scale, the mechanism for doing this must be clear, easy and maintainable. Tagging 97% of our commands with (defun foo () (declare (completion foo-mode)) (interactive "p")) seems like a much worse solution in the "clear and easy" dept than (defun foo () (interactive "p" foo-mode)) Do you disagree with this? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no