From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs default bindings Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:07:06 -0700 Message-ID: <87o88bcnut.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <83tujbqg4j.fsf@gnu.org> <46353190-1190-495f-b15e-22980159b3ab@yandex.ru> <83y28mp0rb.fsf@gnu.org> <51a363db-fde7-791d-cf8d-98ac601d62ee@yandex.ru> <57ca4d78-2339-201d-edce-678c9b003a99@yandex.ru> <01341bd6-b94b-4f94-1461-405e723142ad@yandex.ru> <8735qmjklm.fsf@localhost> <87ilzi86h7.fsf@posteo.net> <875yvh9anq.fsf@posteo.net> <83o899yjh2.fsf@gnu.org> <2aed65dd-bcec-8e0e-e48b-7664a041f98b@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34087"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, danflscr@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, lokedhs@gmail.com, yantar92@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Eli Zaretskii To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 29 19:08:28 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVd4G-0008gc-7N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:08:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34244 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVd4D-0006me-Va for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:08:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVd38-00065F-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:07:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:35042) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVd37-00011Y-4j; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:07:18 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-156.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.156]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77FF3FA024; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1632935227; bh=1s2gJgV7kZ7tKB28NoO+8wwHtnqDy3oj4bWw3svtYx4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=pMvB24/QGMF++GOzwVUD31MRq7/zkC+3CxbJIYxtEXMLNgy4rUDlW+1cKJfEdPb5Q N2vD9Dc3rlrF5UJsiSPVSyflkghB7CnsWRxfm8/FW688ObTST2gQ0ipk/yAWb+fTq3 HPJ4MwR18CwmEoOyw0r48m3GWdJ3At4/GAYkR5Pk= In-Reply-To: <2aed65dd-bcec-8e0e-e48b-7664a041f98b@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 28 Sep 2021 02:17:07 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=52.70.2.18; envelope-from=eric@ericabrahamsen.net; helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275817 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 06.09.2021 06:06, Richard Stallman wrote: >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> > > show-paren-mode seems universally acclaimed as well (though >> prelude and >> > > doom-emacs use smartparens for a similar effect), so why not enable it too. >> Let's announce on info-gnu that we tentatively plan to make this the >> default in Emacs 28, and ask users to try it now and tell us now if >> they see a reason to change that plan. > > So: the feedback we received has been universally positive. > > Two email replies to my personal inbox, and a handful of responses on > Emacs Help. > > Unless anybody has strong objections, I'll flip the default tomorrow. I'd had (show-paren-mode 1) in my init to begin with, and now that gives me a recursive load error at startup. If I comment it out I can start normally, but just running M-x show-paren-mode gives me the same recursive load error.