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[95.29.46.61]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s11sm1654318ljc.80.2021.10.04.08.29.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 04 Oct 2021 08:29:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87bl4ajg0c.fsf@logand.com> (Tomas Hlavaty's message of "Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:26:59 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::136; envelope-from=andremegafone@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x136.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276215 Archived-At: Tomas Hlavaty writes: > That's why good programmers make effort to choose good names independent > of language. > > Lots of Common Lisp code is awful because people play clever tricks with > names and packages, symbol import, export, shadowing. Such claims aren't at all rare, but I wouldn't expect to read them on the Emacs mailing list. Unix, why did you spread like a virus? Why "worse is better"? This is backwards... --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"