From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:44:48 +0100 Message-ID: <87o85i3um7.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20211211035614.15517.53830@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87ee6j4ty4.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735mz4o70.fsf@yahoo.com> <83k0gbr0dm.fsf@gnu.org> <87y24r33bn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilvu1ldh.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6h5tap6.fsf@gnus.org> <87tufbu7jg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y24nr6nk.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf0ntz0t.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnk6mjlm.fsf@gnus.org> <877dc6tjz0.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <871r2e5g4u.fsf@telefonica.net> <87o85iqi7u.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tufa40r0.fsf@telefonica.net> <87fsquqhcn.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34250"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:BLvTwmAT4ayAVMzdICt7BGCTaI0= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 15 13:58:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTrU-0008cA-3R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:58:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41844 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTrS-0005BH-Cu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:58:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTeW-0006fI-Cr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:45:00 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:34256) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTeU-0006mz-8F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:45:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTeS-0001lr-7q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:44:56 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282032 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Óscar Fuentes writes: > >>> Then as RMS said, we should remove the feature wholesale, until a >>> solution is found. > >> My point is that if the symbol trick is considered an acceptable >> solution > > My understanding is that the symbol trick is considered acceptable > because it will be more likely to hold up in court to mean that whoever > wrote the non-free module fully understood that it had to be compatible > with the GPL. So someone at the FSF thought that creating a module, which requires studying, understanding and complying with a bunch of technical requisites mandated by the host application (Emacs or Gcc), could open the possibility of a credible "I didn't care to read the license", but using a GPL'ed library, that often requires less technical effort, is not equally impacted by the same risk :-/ > But apparently SQLite modules, even those intended for use with Emacs, > are not legally required to comply with the GPL, so that is out of the > question here. Nothing is legally required to comply with the GPL. The FSF does not dictate law, it uses a license and hopes for the best. The scenario of someone sneaking in a non-free SQLite extension against the user's wishes is a bit far-fetched, to say the least. So we are wasting a lot of energy worrying about how to effectively inconvenience our users for "protecting" them from an unlikely event no matter how much limitations are imposed on the feature being discussed. I thought that the gcc/llvm debacle would be understood at this point.