From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:05:56 +0800 Message-ID: <87o84ujqaj.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6geo4h8.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735m6o349.fsf@yahoo.com> <87pmpamlon.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cc: xenodasein@tutanota.de To: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283896 Archived-At: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." writes: > FWIW I completely agree with this.=C2=A0 Custom system is a good idea, > and it should exist; however it has a very long way yet to achieve > it's purpose.=C2=A0 It is nowhere near JetBrains software's isolation > of Java from user.=C2=A0 It needs a lot more work.=C2=A0 It is an unfinis= hed system. > If you keep insisting on Custom's perfection, you need to explain No, I don't insist on the perfection of Custom. No system is perfect, but it being imperfect is not an excuse for having code generated by Emacs for new users to not use custom. It will simply make the problem worse, by confusing them when they try to use custom. > the whole Emacs community why JetBrains makes more money > than donations to Emacs.=C2=A0 (Rhetorical) I don't think Emacs accepts donations, and it's not a company either, so that comparison makes no sense.