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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d8a948a9e6874285c462d06522c1a7e0; Tue, 17 May 2022 00:50:28 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 16 May 2022 19:25:41 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20188 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.190.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289822 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > We have arrived at a deep and fundamental disagreement about what it > means to make a program clear. I have pointed out that the name "plz" > gives no information about what the package does. It is totally > unhelpful. > > You contend that an arbitrary and unhelpful name is just as good as a > helpful name. The argument is that we have commands to do searches > from the name to its purpose and from words in its purpose to the > name. > > Those commands are helpful, but using them is laborious by comparison > woth the simple verbalconnection. > > For the packages feature, I am a beginner. I don't know those > commands. I will learn these commands if I start using packages more, > but there will always be many users who are beginners in this. > > Whenever we add a new package, we should consider whether to change > its name first. But plz has not been installed for long. Giving it a > clear, meaningful name now won't cause any pain. I agree completely. There are many unhelpful package names, such as "corfu", "cape", "eglot", "marginalia" and "mcd". At least eglot could be renamed "lsp-client", which tells the user exactly what it does. > A clear meaningful name does not have to be long. Someone suggested > `curl' -- meaningful, and quite short. Perhaps `curl-url' would be > even more helpful, to the many who who don't use curl -- and it is > still short. > > If no one has a better idea, let's rename it that way now. curl is already taken. `curl-url' would work, but so would `curl-http-client', which I think is relatively more meaningful.