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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>,
	 philipk@posteo.net, mardani29@yahoo.es,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: plz -> curl?
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:50:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7zxnfsg.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1nqk5t-0000N6-2U@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 16 May 2022 19:25:41 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> We have arrived at a deep and fundamental disagreement about what it
> means to make a program clear.  I have pointed out that the name "plz"
> gives no information about what the package does.  It is totally
> unhelpful.
>
> You contend that an arbitrary and unhelpful name is just as good as a
> helpful name.  The argument is that we have commands to do searches
> from the name to its purpose and from words in its purpose to the
> name.
>
> Those commands are helpful, but using them is laborious by comparison
> woth the simple verbalconnection.
>
> For the packages feature, I am a beginner.  I don't know those
> commands.  I will learn these commands if I start using packages more,
> but there will always be many users who are beginners in this.
>
> Whenever we add a new package, we should consider whether to change
> its name first.  But plz has not been installed for long.  Giving it a
> clear, meaningful name now won't cause any pain.

I agree completely.  There are many unhelpful package names, such as
"corfu", "cape", "eglot", "marginalia" and "mcd".  At least eglot could
be renamed "lsp-client", which tells the user exactly what it does.

> A clear meaningful name does not have to be long.  Someone suggested
> `curl' -- meaningful, and quite short.  Perhaps `curl-url' would be
> even more helpful, to the many who who don't use curl -- and it is
> still short.
>
> If no one has a better idea, let's rename it that way now.

curl is already taken.  `curl-url' would work, but so would
`curl-http-client', which I think is relatively more meaningful.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-17  0:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-09 16:51 [ELPA] New package: plz Adam Porter
2022-05-09 19:50 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-09 21:08   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-10 11:58     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-10  7:51   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11  9:02 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-11 10:19   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 13:42     ` Filipp Gunbin
2022-05-11 14:02       ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 14:22     ` Daniel Martín
2022-05-11 15:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-11 18:55       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-11 19:29         ` Adam Porter
2022-05-12 13:06           ` Filipp Gunbin
2022-05-12 13:54           ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-05-12 15:23             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-14 23:58           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-15  7:53             ` Adam Porter
2022-05-16 23:25               ` plz -> curl? Richard Stallman
2022-05-17  0:50                 ` Po Lu [this message]
2022-05-17  2:13                   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-17  2:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17  2:50                     ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 10:13                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-05-17  8:07                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-17 22:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17  2:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17  3:05                     ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 11:44                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17 11:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17 19:15                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-17 22:58                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17  6:43                   ` Tassilo Horn
2022-05-17  8:17                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-17 10:12                     ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 10:15                       ` Adam Porter
2022-05-17 11:48                         ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 15:38                           ` Tassilo Horn
2022-05-18  0:46                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-05-17 12:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17 22:59                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17 22:58                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17 12:10                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-17 15:22                         ` Roland Winkler
2022-05-17 22:59                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-21 10:29                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-22 17:05                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-22 23:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17  8:16                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-05-17 22:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-21 10:11                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-15 14:06         ` Wrong default-directory in shell buffer Matthias Meulien
2022-05-15 16:06           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-16 18:06             ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-16 19:29               ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-17  9:58                 ` Visuwesh
2022-05-17 19:14                   ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-17 19:27                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-17 20:59                       ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-17 21:36                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-13 15:09     ` [ELPA] New package: plz Richard Stallman
2022-05-13 21:54       ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 21:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-11 22:30   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 23:55     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-14 14:12       ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-14 14:23         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-16 23:26           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-21 11:13   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-21 11:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-21 18:16       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-21 14:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-21 18:10       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-21 20:29         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-22 23:02     ` Richard Stallman

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