From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Brauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+SMTP(only) (oauth2) Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 15:01:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87o7ztznek.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87fsl75pu4.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fsl7l3c8.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=sha256; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15670"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:X6dx8wH5OBAXvaafg4Un2M1XnWQ= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 19 15:03:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrfoW-0003vn-Ts for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 15:03:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43634 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrfoV-0005i2-Jv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 09:03:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58196) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrfnB-0004uW-QQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 09:02:14 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:49736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrfn9-0001ML-L7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 09:02:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrfn5-0001hQ-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 15:02:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289961 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Uwe Brauer writes: > My recollection is that when Google originally announced the intended > changes (back in 2017 or 2018), they indicated they would be removing > app passwords. However, when I go through their current announcements > and documentation on their support site, I cannot find any mention of > removing them. Furthermore, much of their documentation appears to have > been updated to state that app passwords are the preferred solution for > clients who cannot do oauth2/2FA. My guess is that there was sufficient > push-back after the original announcement that they reviewed their > proposal and are going to leave app passwords in place for the time > being. Even if they do decide to remove them, I would expect they will > give a fairly lengthy notice period (It has been 4+ years since they > flagged the removal of being able to use your normal google password).=20 Aha, thanks, htat is helpful, and good to know. > I would just use app passwords and wait to see what happens. A lot can > change in a couple of years.=20 Right. > That might help if the initial sending SMTP server is on your machine > and it is registered in the global DNS (not just an internal only DNS). > It means your machine has a real IP address (not a non-routed address > like 192.168.*.* or 10.*.*.* etc).=20 [Snip]... > One of the reasons this is so hard to work out is because there are just > so many different options and moving parts and the constant need to > evolve and adapt anti-spam measures as the spammers find new loopholes > and ways to circumvent spam prevention. I suspect it is one reason many > organisations have decided to adopt an external service provider and > drop in-house SMTP services.=20 Right, that makes sense. I am now convinced that this idea of using my own SMTP server will fail and I will therefore give the app-password a try. Thanks for you detailed explanation. Uwe=20 =2D-=20 I strongly condemn Putin's war of aggression against the Ukraine. I support to deliver weapons to Ukraine's military.=20 I support the ban of Russia from SWIFT. 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