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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293765 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > There was a time when I was young and na=C3=AFve, and thought that GTK was > going to be the answer to Emacs=CA=BC toolkit issues. +1. > That has turned out to be somewhat untrue [1], so perhaps we should > default to Lucid (it=CA=BCs still pretty ugly, but I don=CA=BCt use menus= or > scrollbars so that doesn=CA=BCt affect me personally). If Someone=E2=84=A2 > contributes a Qt port, that might do as well (there was a port of > XEmacs to Qt several decades ago, so it definitely feasible). I suggest anyone who wants to implement a port to Qt look at the Haiku port. I think both toolkits are designed similarly from a high-level perspective, and both require C++ for the GUI code.