From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Browning Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:12:01 -0500 Message-ID: <87o7uum6xa.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <837d1i16yk.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35905"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 20:13:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of3Sc-00099q-Uo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 20:13:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53024 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of3Sb-0005T3-E5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40656) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of3Re-00045h-En for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:12:08 -0400 Original-Received: from defaultvalue.org ([45.33.119.55]:37456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of3Rb-0003U8-KE; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42AC32019F; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 13:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 94DB814E081; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 13:12:01 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <837d1i16yk.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.33.119.55; envelope-from=rlb@defaultvalue.org; helo=defaultvalue.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296668 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Theoretically, yes. But I don't yet see why the particular context > described by Rob is different to the degree that it would need special > procedures. While I'm not sure where we'll end up, I do think others may put more weight on some of the concerns. For example, across the broader world/users-of-debian-and-derivative packages, I suspect there are some who care more about storage space. As mentioned elswhere, we get regular requests to make emacs-nox even smaller. And my eln-cache is currently 40MB, which is storage space we'd thought we might not have to duplicate across the emacs users on a system in the common case (Of course I know the duplication rate would vary depending on which users use which things, but unless the sets were disjoint, there'd be duplication that didn't seem necessary.) But again, in the end, we just wanted to present the broader case for consideration. Thanks -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2011-07-10 E6A9 DA3C C9FD 1FF8 C676 D2C4 C0F0 39E9 ED1B 597A GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4