From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: Denote-Refs Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:07:41 +0000 Message-ID: <87o7rxi0pu.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87a63jl5i2.fsf@disroot.org> <87ili75o0p.fsf@posteo.net> <87a63jp92j.fsf@disroot.org> <878rj35hh0.fsf@posteo.net> <874jtr5cg4.fsf@posteo.net> <878rj2f2co.fsf@posteo.net> <87cz8dei4y.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32157"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Akib Azmain Turja , Emacs Developer List To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 21 10:08:23 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p7v5L-00088f-NL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 10:08:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p7v4l-0003cN-Bn; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 04:07:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p7v4e-0003aQ-UA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 04:07:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p7v4d-0000tH-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 04:07:40 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83883240104 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 10:07:36 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1671613656; bh=jqqeEf4wppgKEwpmUNar/IpMg+UeajoSuobQR48urf8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=gVrH+wpTU0RHp3GZ0uLHhC0Fmr8aiQ8KPd2pwRKF3dDjb0z+U8Su8unt4ehRJ7v7d ok5Thl52VHKBWuw/7C7GU6XawDYen7v0Q50+q/fKBnbI+jRHQEbBEMow0eMygZwOJB 5R/Zz1yz0f1hyphK6fZFdGqCJUmzF1jcnnHwYdW2FhWkadlL77hOfeC8uXe6QvKDst 4tWimmnAlvjV4y3+idxGPJ3A6iyUHvBGWGBprzxCLTZRFzWlLbErDzGKb6GgKJhdrB M13cUwxLuW8VmgU2uzn6Xxhks4U+XFjcd3hWb34dW/8Fq/YftG1oormPCWTJYIq3Gw CgFs19kkiFebA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NcSJR6qSPz9rxD; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 10:07:35 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 21 Dec 2022 05:22:39 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301736 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> >> Another point is that in the case of deftheme, the () might look like a >> >> empty parameter list, sort of like how (defun foo () ...) might look >> >> like. By explicitly quoting the list, we "clarify" that this is not the >> >> same kind of thing. >> > >> > Can't speak to this; dunno what () you mean. >> >> This one: (defun foo (bar) baz) >> ^ >> or in the case of a nullary function: >> (defun foo () baz) >> ^ > > I guess we're miscommunicating? > > I understood that. I meant that I don't know > what () you meant for `deftheme'. That's all. If I said deftheme in a previous message, I blame that on a careless M-/. I never meant to say that. > But again, `defun' and `deftheme' are macros. > By default macros don't evaluate their args. > What they do with their args is up to them. > (And `defun' doesn't evaluate the (bar) or ().) Right, but defgroup passes the list further to be evaluated. >> > But `deftheme' is a macro. Any understanding >> > of any of its parts has to come from the doc >> > string (or code). A part (including ()) of a >> > macro call could mean anything, depending on >> > the macro definition. >> >> I'll be honest, I have never used the MEMBERS parameter of `defgroup' (I >> assume you meant that), > > No idea what you're talking about, sorry. > I was talking about `deftheme' being a macro. > I didn't mention `defgroup' or MEMBERS. I was under the impression that the entire discussion was about the MEMBERS argument of the defgroup macro?