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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306431 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > Typing "cargo install cargo-deny" is all you need to install it. It isn't installed by default, with no documentation describing how to remove it. > Designers of a language cannot force all users of that language to > make their software free. They can incite them to do so, and can > provide them with tools to do so. Unfortunately not. But they can make it as difficult as reasonably possible. > What makes you believe that you can decide what is acceptable and what > is not? Richard is asking for facts, your categorical judgements are > out of place here. Richard just repeated precisely what I said in his reply to you.