From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:09:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5193"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ihor Radchenko , Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 18 19:10:08 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qX2zA-00019h-7X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:10:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX2yX-000789-D3; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 13:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX2yS-000781-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 13:09:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX2yN-0007HV-VX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 13:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94B5F240101 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:09:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1692378557; bh=D/BtL6CaSPOZSDPcR/5L9Rqiec4g0zTz5TjFxIg07Eo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=Zn5y2KlylISlTd7Yc81Kb77G0GoYBpZRZXkM6ZNE6bu0CYZvyf+UihHsVsmVfRpgm Q0tklW9Kx0VqTI1CxG6DN3BSpoMRf5LSGdCpTWoV6o2tdZ0ZPBQrVAQ1//a9gnHODI 3QNGGE9fhmoj6rPDIV7wSL7I6Kk4QcuFKV0oWuP66SBR8167gJKRz0OBNlyG6dnqKU SPbXHn5YvODweBw1k7p339zJ72oh8ns+kFPisv29c1tjCCBdSuZWoCwj3bZktmcSNN LuC1T8FeK+F4Tzr8HTL6WRILb5jS5BbXTFxYHM/jYYb90xqb1rnyazC7voC0qOfAAl Wade80hc1gD1w== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RS7dT0Lc9z9rxG; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:09:16 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308896 Archived-At: Bastien writes: >> I am wondering how many Emacs developers contributed to Org in the past. >> In particular, before we switched away from .texi manual. > > My impression is that these contributions have been small in size of > text modified but very useful and regular, at least as much useful as > the occasional ones received from Org casual contributors. Hmm. I tried (in Emacs git repo), skipping contributions from Org maintainers: git shortlog -- doc/misc/org.texi (see below for shortened output) The overwhelming majority of the commits are (1) typos; (2) texinfo markup changes (not needed as long as we follow the conventions in ox-texinfo); (3) copyright year updates; (4) some common wording conventions, like using "GNU" or https in urls. This was since 2007. git shortlog -- doc/misc/org.org is since Feb 2021 (3 years) Eli Zaretskii (1): Glenn Morris (3): Hanno Perrey (1): ; * doc/misc/org.org: fix capture context example Stefan Kangas (14): Avoid treating number as an enum in the org manual Drop support for the dead third-party w3 package Recommend NonGNU ELPA over MELPA Delete broken link to Network Theory Ltd. ; Prefer HTTPS to HTTP in many URLs Total 19 commits from Emacs contributors. For the same 3 year period org.texi saw git shortlog --since 2018 -- doc/misc/org.texi 21 commits. As expected, we are no longer seeing texinfo markup fixes, except a single work around a bug in Emacs Info command. All other types of the contributions from Emacs devs are not stopping. I conclude that .org version of the manual did not cause reduced contributions from Emacs devs compared to .texi version. And I believe that automated export is useful to avoid dealing with texinfo issues in addition to our own .org issues we would have to address anyway. ------------------- git shortlog -- doc/misc/org.texi Alan Mackenzie (1): Expunge "allow" + infinitive without direct object from source and do= c. Andreas Schwab (2): <2 commits fixing texinfo markup> Chong Yidong (3): * org.texi (Org Plot): Fix tags (Bug#3507). * org.texi (Workflow states, Agenda commands): Fix tags (Bug#3508). <1 merge>=20=20=20=20=20=20 Eli Zaretskii (4): <3 commits fixing texinfo markup> <1 commit fixing typo> Glenn Morris (57): Update Back-Cover Text as per maintain.info. Change to GFDL 1.2. Refer to license in Emacs manual. Peter Tury (tiny change) Peter Tury (tiny change) Nuke arch-tags. Standardize possessive apostrophe usage in manuals, docs, and comment= s Ref: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-02/msg00649.html Standardize case of "Front-Cover Texts" in texi file permissions noti= ces. Replace doc references to load-hooks Distribute the real source for some doc/misc manuals (bug#45143) Juanma Barranquero (7): Karl Berry (1): Lars Ingebrigtsen (1): Mario Lang (2): Martin Rudalics (1): Mauro Aranda (1): Michael Albinus (6): Document remote file name syntax change * doc/misc/org.texi (Installation): Fix clone commands. Miles Bader (2): Paul Eggert (54): Simplify use of current-time and friends. Fix some 24-hour time stamps in documentation. Modernize usage of 'macOS' in doc and comments Prefer HTTPS to FTP and HTTP in documentation Update some URLs Radon Rosborough (1): Add early init file, stop package-initialize insertion Stefan Kangas (2): ; Prefer https to http in more URLs Avoid recommending Google Stefan Monnier (3): * src/print.c (syms_of_print) : Set default to true Stephen Eglen (1): Ville Skytt=C3=A4 (1): --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at