From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tony Zorman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package-vc support for :files keyword Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:17:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87o7hyl01m.fsf@hyperspace> References: <87ttrshrib.fsf@hyperspace> <871qev6e53.fsf@posteo.net> <87r0mviltd.fsf@hyperspace> <871qevbhru.fsf@posteo.net> <87o7hzi82q.fsf@hyperspace> <87pm2ebldd.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6625"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 19 16:38:44 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qibsA-0001LQ-8I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:38:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qibrp-0006hK-N3; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:38:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qibY1-0006QE-RR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:17:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mout-p-101.mailbox.org ([80.241.56.151]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qibXy-0001WW-Cp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:17:52 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp102.mailbox.org (smtp102.mailbox.org [IPv6:2001:67c:2050:b231:465::102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-101.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RqkJl4716z9sn2; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:17:43 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailbox.org; s=mail20150812; t=1695133063; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=5PJwSDM/7JMQZEEIjHtCJDGyqlT49AawGgiF7qfB3hU=; b=hQWNYF8tcpwJannAF23pWI/mZJ4ekfWevGLIZV3VCZHGGIg9sQYnYUIDJBdNC8kCzxZfuc +dun+laS1DgxKrnbuTLSsLHbG6aZVlhDiFEcOIRf87Ld3ZKmQ3wH9Ryj5DAqHT/PtzEFiJ nDpyZE63jkfiMm+xcQ/wfE/MbpDf2lFG7EH69WC6eBJ6sdpTIBkZj8485QPDFIQ4cn1Hsk 8j5priIhK7/4G7tBv8+0r+3si9XFJWtpTPG8u+iyhR+/xJY1BLGjm4YRv8C8nGYBQ0u8j7 q7PvuW94U27DAbNgugZisVNYzvZvXQ6Tj6aq0ZGCWbMmaQfh/Fox1W0K/ILNEg== In-Reply-To: <87pm2ebldd.fsf@posteo.net> X-MBO-RS-ID: d57fd651fe9130212b2 X-MBO-RS-META: wbxe65tah46h4cj7fmktin4awcxobo8n Received-SPF: pass client-ip=80.241.56.151; envelope-from=tonyzorman@mailbox.org; helo=mout-p-101.mailbox.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:38:18 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310776 Archived-At: On Tue, Sep 19 2023 08:47, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Tony Zorman writes: > > [=E2=80=A6 42 lines elided =E2=80=A6] > >> This is not just for multiple packages in a single repository=E2=80=94at= least >> one has to somewhat broaden what "multiple packages" means. Some >> packages include small shims for bigger projects, and inadvertently >> require them as dependencies. The original issue[1] on the >> vc-use-package repo mentions org-ql[2], more specifically its helm >> integration in the form of helm-org-ql.el. Some people might not want to >> pull down helm as a dependency just for one file that they are not going >> to use anyways. >> >> I'm not sure how common of a situation this actually is, but at least >> for the big completion frameworks=E2=80=94helm and ivy=E2=80=94it's not = totally unheard >> of. > > Hmm, this is interesting example that I was not familiar with. As an > alternative idea, do you think that using `:ignored-files' like > elpa-admin.el could be useful? You could exclude all the files with > "soft-dependencies", that wouldn't be scraped in `package-vc--unpack-1' > when looking for dependency files. Overall, I think this would be the better (even best) approach, yes. (I also consider executing external shell commands during build-time an anti pattern, I just got the feeling that making package-vc support `:ignored-files' wasn't on the table=E2=80=94glad to realise that I was wro= ng!) --=20 Tony Zorman | https://tony-zorman.com/