From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 04:08:22 +0100 Message-ID: <87o7dv9pax.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <835y0azhvo.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmsqy14p.fsf@gnu.org> <3E7CF23D-CE62-4581-80D6-E6266CEE4DF5@traductaire-libre.org> <83edexy5cy.fsf@gnu.org> <1E3685C0-7B33-45BB-BF3C-AD1215BAB33B@traductaire-libre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33996"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:SiGKZKiK4Sf8sRHpAZbxqY8Dgsw= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 09 04:23:08 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rN2hm-0008Zt-Co for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 04:23:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rN2h2-0005b8-Bz; Mon, 08 Jan 2024 22:22:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rN2Tj-00025Q-V9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2024 22:08:36 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rN2Th-0006Qx-Aw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2024 22:08:35 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rN2Td-0001Mk-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 04:08:29 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 08 Jan 2024 22:22:18 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314768 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: >> We know of various ways a service can treat users unjustly >> -- we call them "dis-services". But we don't have >> a complete list of them. > > To clarify we use "dis-services" to refer to "services" that > mistreat users, but we don't have a full list of the bad > things that a service can do (twhich would make it > a dis-service"). Coming up with that is a hard problem. Maybe we can instead have a positive model that defines a FOSS service? To begin with it would run on free or open source software, sure. So people would be allowed to fork it, and run it on their own servers, i.e. replicate and modify the service provided if they saw reason to, be it to add something they wanted, or remove something they didn't like? Or just do whatever they liked to? Wouldn't that be enough to say, this is a FOSS service? -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal