From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Objed maintenance Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 17:09:40 +0000 Message-ID: <87o79o5eej.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87ttjhpfue.fsf@posteo.net> <5dc8b803-e6d1-418c-9621-bd2373eeeb8e@alphapapa.net> <87plu4hhuj.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3845"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 02 19:10:33 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s2Zx3-0000kx-28 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 19:10:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s2ZwL-0003S0-Eo; Thu, 02 May 2024 13:09:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s2ZwH-0003PI-Ku for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 13:09:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s2ZwF-0001Lh-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 13:09:45 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EA73240027 for ; Thu, 2 May 2024 19:09:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1714669781; bh=/XocR/e+3Y1o7qTLqtF35b1LBRtenJJ6XuSjWgrWU+M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:OpenPGP:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type:From; b=gnFuIbub3xjpJVnQ02IQBKQDmR+FW3b/QMazJS725+zasiVk0FpF3X0s/1k7VUzLX 3Yt8bsAHhjnGcVwVsGw4slHLc5E7RnhUSDCIWDpeNNcC7fcobRlJXO//rKPEw8PDAu SKVFqChlksVD8G+dcZNU4w4haGvn5PwcUZ8WCLO1UyB+XXSMqQPdGv1TqO1bkSYk7x 7BxbiUIKrKb2oUrkjNi86Su625GAnxcdhh7k3Zn5KXLICijCDHFVAyky2lkqripbVx TBs+B8Ao84AVWOQCick9M7q+saWgyfXsWj7i9f0ZHF7WL9MEpl3VC/pwX3FkrbGMBY vCgSc3QAGq1Lg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4VVgQr4xttz6tw4; Thu, 2 May 2024 19:09:40 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Adam Porter's message of "Thu, 2 May 2024 04:43:26 -0500") OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:318601 Archived-At: Adam Porter writes: > On 5/2/24 01:02, Philip Kaludercic wrote: >> Adam Porter writes: >> >>> Hi Philip, >>> >>>> Abstractly: My advice is my advice, it is inherently biased. I take >>>> that position, because of my experience, which is why I refuse to >>>> install packages with more than 1-~2 transitive dependencies (I was >>>> recently once again shocked by "ement"). >>> >>> Would you please explain what you mean here? >> Just that I recently wanted to try out ement, but decided not to do >> so >> when I saw the list of dependencies. > > I don't understand. There are only a few, and they're all on GNU > ELPA. Which ones do you object to, and why? I am trying to give Amy an example of why to avoid dependencies, because people like me don't look at Requires: emacs-27.1, map-2.1, persist-0.5, plz-0.6, taxy-0.10, taxy-magit-section-0.13, svg-lib-0.2.5, transient-0.3.7 and say it is only a few, if my limit is at 1-2 /transitive/ dependencies. (In addition to that, you know that I have strong opinions on Emacs package names and do not what to install a package called "taxy", even though I know that this is probably just my opinion). -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine