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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321560 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Heerdegen writes: > Thierry Volpiatto writes: > >> Or even better would be to eval directly the getter and tell user >> "mode is %s" on/off instead of proposing to eval. > > AFAIU, this is not about telling whether the mode is on at the moment, > but to tell the user - or programmer - how to check that. > >> IIUC the only expessions we may have are (default-value >> 'global-foo-mode) for global mmodes or foo-mode for normal mmodes. > > No, there are more complicated ones, like these: > > (frame-parameter nil 'auto-raise) - auto-raise-mode > (frame-parameter nil 'auto-lower) - auto-lower-mode > (show-paren--enabled-p) - show-paren-local-mode > (get-scroll-bar-mode) - scroll-bar-mode > (and buffer-auto-save-file-name > (>=3D buffer-saved-size 0)) - auto-save-mode > (eq (terminal-parameter nil 'normal-erase-is-backspace) 1) > - normal-erase-is-backspace-mode > (eq standard-display-table iso-ascii-display-table) > - iso-ascii-mode > > AFAIU that piece of docstring we discuss is especially helpful in these > special cases. Ok, good to know, thanks. > [ did we lose emacs-dev intentially btw? ] No, don't know what's happened, now CCing to all. > > Regards, > > Michael. =2D-=20 Thierry --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQHHBAEBCgAxFiEEI9twfRN7r3nig/xwDsVtFB0W75MFAmaNC58THHRoaWV2b2xA cG9zdGVvLm5ldAAKCRAOxW0UHRbvk437DACgX4TNdGUgpaSmvegwYfpmMg/icSXr 73EFLqGV98myjxLBvy7p9m/O0ICPNpWsrqbuhH2BuaT84BkGGo1qFbvWVToJCpwQ NCeuPGUNYpzezbXLmaSrb553Na/UvXJWO1iWwq9692FDzpPEZ0dg4yeMi9ZJP9S3 RoKUWPZAolQ0Je+5i4QuyBjQNHC5h+G/cY6jnYaI0vvIUHstBE+ySV081lTxjUZu /FJhSLRKHyeakgpE6OPdJQys6BUVsFh8nNjEPMmE4eJvaUNM6VvIiHLvGcmeX3dG I9IOTtAsz5sG9Ip/bmyGF2iegb0MyERAWB7keSQ2vC8s52TlRVEn/epl1KzsFsSc OggJva/5bdX195RBdI44KQ49gf6WHsrm6cL2tjvwEi+PelFzSDDhto9KrEDYDilr WgTIxVcowTlOALqPqJJQr11sr4gqrq5X+MDrkLqEqgt8bDeAyUF3NiJtLUJT+yww VIw+Abr8i7Ozs07GLZFJ3MImiFoZXBQoLwQ= =UlVI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--