From: Karthik Chikmagalur <karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com>
To: Psionic K <psionik@positron.solutions>,
Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: charles.choi@yummymelon.com,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, emacs.transient@jonas.bernoulli.dev,
juri@linkov.net, justin@burkett.cc, omar@matem.unam.mx,
Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,
tclaesson@gmail.com, visuweshm@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 15:47:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o71d25fb.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADQMGARM+5J9t_apzOL+kZ2c1kz+ooA-0+aFSwjGqAFoudoKHA@mail.gmail.com>
>> intercepts the main loop
> This is optional, per transient menu (prefix) and the commands within it.
> A common technique, used by magit and others, is to have entry point
> commands in the regular keymap so that many commands can be started without
> traversing several menus. If you want normal un-shadowed bindings active
> at the same time, the prefix has a slot called `transient-non-suffix' that
> is similar to the `:suppress' option in keymaps or setting a `t'
> `undefined' binding in a keymap. However the results of mixing self-insert
> and modal or modal and another modal are generally bad.
From the manual page describing the `transient-non-suffix' slot:
> If the value is ‘t’, then non-suffixes can be invoked, when it is
> ‘nil’ (the default) then they cannot be invoked.
>
> The only other recommended value is ‘leave’. If that is used, then
> non-suffixes can be invoked, but if one is invoked, then that exits the
> transient.
This is one of my issues with Transient -- here it is reimplementing the
idea of a regular transient keymap (the kind you can use with
`set-transient-map') but increasing the cognitive load of applying this
behavior.
I understand that Transient needs to implement behaviors not provided by
Elisp (like infixes), but fashioning whole-cloth replacements for
behaviors that are provided -- like the KEEP-PRED behavior of
`set-transient-map' -- makes writing Transients a very high effort
activity.
Karthik
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2024-12-14 0:37 [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Psionic K
2024-12-14 9:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:12 ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-14 23:20 ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Karthik Chikmagalur
2024-12-14 23:47 ` Karthik Chikmagalur [this message]
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