From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:08:12 +0200 Organization: Jan at Appel Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87n04paner.fsf@peder.flower> References: <20040502211541.GA26227@fencepost> <85y8oa6nwi.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083575449 8670 80.91.224.253 (3 May 2004 09:10:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Brinkhoff , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 03 11:10:40 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKZTE-00058S-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:10:40 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKZTE-0003oK-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:10:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZRk-0000S2-Op for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:09:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZRW-00009c-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:08:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZQw-0007dq-JO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:08:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.126.34.178] (helo=peder.flower) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZQv-0007bJ-9p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower ident=janneke) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKZQq-0007EM-00; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:08:12 +0200 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "03 May 2004 07:53:40 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22590 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22590 Kim F. Storm writes: > Now I understand -- to use the emacs bindings you have to buy a > special keyboard. How convenient :-| This is what I seemed to notice too. I do buy special keyboards, or else do remapping. > Are you serious ? I think we may be getting somewhere here. If the consensus is that Emacs bindings (which I like, btw) are only convenient with special keyboards or custom mappings, it might be good to reconsider the default mapping that is used. It may be helpful (for new users) if the default mapping that Emacs uses is actually useful with the type of keyboard that they are most probable to use. Btw, Kim, (no offence intended), I think it makes a lot of sense for people like (you and?) me, who use computers a lot, to look around for and carefully choose a keyboard (and pointing device) that could make their `work' more easy or relaxed. I find the keyboard one of my most important tools, that I like to pick carefully. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org