From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lute Kamstra Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Incompatible change without "warning" Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:25:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87mzrpz45o.fsf@xs4all.nl> References: <16997.28602.876638.54728@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <16998.58339.710430.454702@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <87u0m0rz7f.fsf@xs4all.nl> <17000.10926.155798.568572@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <87r7h35eku.fsf@xs4all.nl> <17001.27998.562991.843462@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <87is2edksd.fsf@xs4all.nl> <85ll7aaqzs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1114284433 15306 80.91.229.2 (23 Apr 2005 19:27:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nick Roberts , rms@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 23 21:27:11 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPQH6-0008Pz-FU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:26:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPQMH-00007S-CQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DPQLs-0008QC-L7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DPQLr-0008Pc-U2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPQLr-0007tP-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:31:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.109.24.26] (helo=smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DPQJ1-0001Pk-Ty; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: from pijl (a80-127-67-124.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.127.67.124]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j3NJPeMA086986; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:25:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Lute.Kamstra@xs4all.nl) Original-Received: from lute by pijl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DPQG3-0003gP-00; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:25:39 +0200 Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: <85ll7aaqzs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:31:35 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Original-Lines: 58 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36307 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36307 David Kastrup writes: [...] >> defvaralias is part of Emacs since version 21.1. > > Uh what? > >> It does have an entry in NEWS under "Lisp Changes in Emacs 22.1", tho. >> I wonder why it was put there. Maybe because it wasn't mentioned in >> NEWS for 21.1? We better mention explicitly that it isn't really new >> for 22.1, in that case. > > What makes you think it isn't? My Emacs-21.3 does not have it. I used the Emacs from Debian: (emacs-version) => "GNU Emacs 21.4.1 (i386-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2005-03-17 on trouble, modified by Debian" (fboundp 'defvaralias) => t and also: ,----[ src/ChangeLog.9 ] | 2001-10-20 Gerd Moellmann | | * (Version 21.1 released.) | | [...] | | 2001-10-04 Gerd Moellmann | | [...] | | (Fdefvaralias): New function. `---- But I overlooked an earlier: ,----[ src/ChangeLog.9 ] | 2001-10-04 Gerd Moellmann | | * Branch for 21.1. `---- and I found out that the Big Brother Database does: ,----[ bbdb.el ] | (unless (fboundp 'defvaralias) | (defun defvaralias (&rest args))) `---- I guess it ain't called insidious for nothin'. Sorry for the noise, Lute.