From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Brockman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [comp.emacs] "Emacs" defined in Collins English Dictionary Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:53:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87mzpssaof.fsf@wigwam.deepwood.net> References: <8764whreme.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <17070.64885.595664.420752@mail.eng.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118796764 30131 80.91.229.2 (15 Jun 2005 00:52:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 00:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 02:52:43 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiM8v-0004O5-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:52:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiME2-0003wB-0A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:57:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiMDV-0003n9-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:57:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiMDP-0003i9-1E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:57:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiMDO-0003gG-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:57:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DiM6b-00037K-Pg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:50:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DiM04-0003YS-NL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:43:24 +0200 Original-Received: from c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([213.112.182.79]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:43:24 +0200 Original-Received: from daniel by c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:43:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se X-Face: :&2UWGm>e24)ip~'K@iOsA&JT3JX*v@1-#L)=dUb825\Fwg#`^N!Y*g-TqdS AevzjFJe96f@V'ya8${57/T'"mTd`1o{TGYhHnVucLq!D$r2O{IN)7>.0op_Y`%r;/Q +(]`3F-t10N7NF\.Mm0q}p1:%iqTi:5]1E]rDF)R$9.!,Eu'9K':y9^U3F8UCS1M+A$ 8[[[WT^`$P[vu>P+8]aQMh9giu&fPCqLW2FSsGs User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:J3/4RRt22rhBpPp5yGBQhoQDL60= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38846 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38846 Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: > "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > >> As written, the definition misleads people into thinking that Emacs >> falls into the same category as VI or Notepad. > > emacs seeps into every nook and cranny, first explicitly changing > named bits locally, then meta-bits locally, then any bits outside of > itself anywhere, then any bits including itself, I'm with you on all these... > then finally the perception of all those bits by its users, whether > or not any external change is actually involved. ...but you've lost me here. Are you saying that Emacs at some point becomes the lens through which we percieve every part of reality, including (and not limited to) Emacs itself? > people who don't understand this initially do so eventually, > although they may not understand their understanding. Will we at least know as soon enough we understand? > every motion achieves change (surprisingly :-). You've lost me again. Are you talking about Emacs development, developer health, that weird Japanese game, or the second law of thermodynamics? -- Daniel Brockman