From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Ryde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package.el: bytecode portability across emacs versions Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:01:48 +1000 Message-ID: <87myzxaihv.fsf@zip.com.au> References: <20070521134747.GA14137@baal.lan> <85veemdp3s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1179788471 18607 80.91.229.12 (21 May 2007 23:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:01:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 22 01:01:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HqGsD-0007sF-03 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:01:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqGsC-0001yY-Ox for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:01:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HqGs8-0001wP-T5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:01:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HqGs2-0001wD-Ns for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:00:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqGs2-0001wA-In for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:00:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout1-7.pacific.net.au ([61.8.2.214] helo=mailout1.pacific.net.au) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HqGs1-0002qa-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:00:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (mailproxy2.pacific.net.au [61.8.2.163]) by mailout1.pacific.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB103319D7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:00:48 +1000 (EST) Original-Received: from localhost (ppp22A1.dyn.pacific.net.au [61.8.34.161]) by mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CB827416 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:00:47 +1000 (EST) Original-Received: from gg by localhost with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1HqGsv-00021U-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:01:49 +1000 In-Reply-To: <85veemdp3s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Mon, 21 May 2007 20:10:47 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.0.99 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71553 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > > Debian's Elisp package framework socks boulders through straws. Emacs > is designed to have Elisp and elc files in the same directory. That's > how load-path orders can take effect. Debian completely breaks this, > as witnessed by calling M-x list-load-path-shadows RET. emacs-goodies-el has recently taken to symlinking the source into the per-flavour bytecomp directories. It was motivated by wanting to exclude selected files from some emacs versions (either because they're already there, or because they don't run). I don't think there's anything fundamental about separate source/compiled, only like the "streaker's excuse": it seemed like a good idea at the time. (And yes, I've wrestled with load-path or find-function-source-path for packages that don't make the .el's available in those already from friendly browsing. Very annoying.)