From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Strange message from "bzr pull" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:26:35 +0100 Message-ID: <87my11m3qs.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <877hs5ogv8.fsf@red-bean.com> <83my11ejmr.fsf@gnu.org> <83ljgleiir.fsf@gnu.org> <87y6klo9zz.fsf@telefonica.net> <83bphhedsl.fsf@gnu.org> <87vdfpmk22.fsf@telefonica.net> <83637pdrcs.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262150848 578 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2009 05:27:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:27:28 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 30 06:27:17 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NPr5W-00082M-No for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:27:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57077 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NPr5W-0007Bo-TB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:27:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NPr5Q-00077r-Eu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:27:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NPr5L-0006wz-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:27:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46166 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NPr5L-0006wX-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:27:03 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:52516) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NPr5K-00016F-Oc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:27:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1NPr5I-0007zJ-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:27:00 +0100 Original-Received: from 70.red-83-43-192.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.43.192.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:27:00 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 70.red-83-43-192.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:27:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.red-83-43-192.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cIiuU6JlAOOVgcX9NLDCLM/OqhI= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119017 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > Revisions, branches, merges, histories -- all these exist even with >> > CVS, and anyone who worked with a VCS in an organization probably >> > knows what rebase and deliver mean already. >> >> Those concepts have added meaning in DVCSs. > > I don't see anything about the added meaning here, for example: > > http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/core_concepts.html The bazaar docs are not that great explaining certain things. One clear example is their introduction for CVS users linked elsewhere and the document you referred is just a bit better: it defines certain things but do not explain why are they necessary. > (which ironically enough says that the revision-ids are an internal > detail that is not important to users). For the reason explained on a previous post, this is a bit unrealistic. >> I was skimming the Internet for a while and found no docs that explained >> the concepts without focusing on specific approaches from other tools >> like git or mercurial. That could only mislead the Bazaar beginner. > > Please mislead me. I read confusing prose for the living, so please > do show those places, or at least suggest keywords for a Google > search. Thanks. Okay, see this: http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/ Bazaar uses a different approach for most of the details described there (and even for some fundamental things, as what really is tracked: content vs files) so keep in mind that wathever you learn there is, most likely, not applicable to bazaar in practice. -- Óscar