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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Windows 9X compatibility
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:59:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mxxs3311.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83iq8ggbcp.fsf@gnu.org

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:39:01 -0600
>> From: Christoph <cschol2112@googlemail.com>
>>
>> The need is in my opinion a growing pain in the rear-end to support this 
>> backwards compatibility.
>
> This argument can only be persuasive if it comes from someone who
> personally experienced this pain, which could only be true if they are
> active maintainers of the MS-Windows port.

Maybe the fact that there are no more active maintainers of the
MS-Windows port is somewhat related to the pain in the rear that W9X
compatbility is?

Just an hypothesis.

Speaking for myself, the W9X compatibility requirement means that I
prefer to restrict my very occasional Emacs hacking to Elisp code, even
if I have experience with the Windows API. First, I don't have a machine
for testing. Second, the W9X API is so broken and has some many quirks
that, apart from the permanent browsing of the MSDN it requires, a
trivial change can be easily turned into a long session of mailing list
archive archeology. Third, W9X compatibility means that you either have
to refrain to implement features based on modern APIs or #ifdef them,
which greatly adds to the maintenance burden.

Furthermore, the claim about lots of *running* machines on
underdeveloped areas still having W9X is dubious now. AFAIK, people
transitioned to Windows XP when powerful enough obsoleted machines
arrived, which started to happen about 6 years ago. For the time Emacs
24 is out, the percentage of W9X machines out there will be almost zero,
for the simple reason that computers doesn't last forever (no pun
intended)

Finally, if someone has a weak machine, there are some fine GNU/Linux
distros tailored for his needs. I doubt that someone who insists on
using W9X instead of a modern GNU/Linux distro is interested on being up
to date with Emacs releases, or even on using Emacs at all.





  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-28 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-26 15:22 MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 15:48 ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 17:56   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 18:05     ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 18:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 18:17         ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-26 20:05           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-26 21:14             ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27  8:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 10:09                 ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27 11:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 13:56                     ` Helmut Eller
2010-03-27  0:48             ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-27  7:42               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 16:49                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-27 16:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 22:28                     ` Christoph
2010-03-28  0:12                       ` Florian Beck
2010-03-28  0:37                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28  7:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 18:55                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-28 20:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 23:23                                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-29 23:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-31  4:57                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31  8:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 10:38                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 11:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 15:39                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 16:39                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 17:30                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 17:36                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-31 18:05                                         ` OT: (was: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process) Stefan Monnier
2010-03-31 15:28                                 ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 16:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 16:59                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-31 17:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-31 18:08                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-06  7:50                             ` David Kastrup
2010-04-07  3:21                               ` Richard Stallman
2010-04-07  7:59                                 ` David Kastrup
2010-03-28  0:39                         ` Christoph
2010-03-28  7:21                           ` Windows 9X compatibility Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 14:59                             ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2010-03-28 15:24                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-28 15:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 16:09                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 18:03                                   ` joakim
2010-03-29 23:39                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-28 19:57                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-28 20:32                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 22:26                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 19:27                             ` Christoph
2010-03-28 20:18                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28 21:04                                 ` Christoph
2010-03-28  7:17                       ` Windows 9X compatibility (was: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process) Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-28  7:33                     ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Jason Rumney
2010-03-28  8:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-29 23:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-28  9:11                   ` Serious performance problem with process output on Mac OSX Christian Lynbech
2010-03-28 14:41                     ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 21:58                       ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 23:26                         ` David Reitter
2010-03-29 23:54                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-30  7:43                           ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-30 13:05                             ` David Reitter
2010-03-30 17:39                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-30 17:47                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31  2:38                                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-31  4:00                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31 13:41                                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2010-03-31 14:28                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-31 14:29                                         ` Adrian Robert
2010-03-29 23:48                   ` MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Davis Herring
2010-03-30  5:41                     ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-26 23:03           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-27  0:51 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-03-27  8:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-27 13:01     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-27 13:18       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-03-28 17:29     ` Kim F. Storm

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