From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: DocView now supports OpenDocument & MS Office formats Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:33:29 +0900 Message-ID: <87mxnhi66u.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87hbduhno4.fsf@gnu.org> <871v4uk4iy.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294120435 11699 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2011 05:53:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monkey@sandpframing.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 04 06:53:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZzqA-0007Af-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:53:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZzq9-0004p6-RC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:53:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59608 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZzbJ-0006wW-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:38:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZzbH-0006NY-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:38:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:34011) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZzbH-0006M4-9A; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:38:27 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701213FA0562; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:38:18 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C2C211EE96; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:33:29 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" ed3b274cc037 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134242 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > That is the general definition of SaaS, which I already know. Sorry; your question was somewhat vague, and the post that prompted it was more so. (Most vague of all are my colleagues, who don't yet agree on what the economic meaning of "service" is in this context. Probably that's who I was responding to. :-) > I don't know what Oracle is planning for OOo, perhaps turning > the redisplay into an arm's-length client, perhaps rewriting it > to target Web2.0 technology instead of local GUIs. > > That seems like a plausible guess. As vague as it is, that's generous of you -- but I'll accept it as praise. :-) FWIW, my assessment is that Oracle will continue to support OOo as free software, possibly at levels similar to Sun, and for the same reasons: holding Microsoft at bay, and to some extent a loss-leader/ad platform for their SaaS products. In parallel they'll develop the SaaS aspect for producing nice reports, presentations, and customer-manipulable spreadsheets as a front-end for other services. Also FWIW, I just tasked a team of students with a research project to study SaaS in East Asia. It's off-topic so I won't say more on-list, but since the thread has gotten this far, let me say I'd be happy to take input (offlist) from anyone interested who has suggestions about what to look for or what's interesting to them about SaaS as a business model (they're MBAs, not SEs). As yet, my students have barely learned to expand the acronym, so they'd be happy to get suggestions too! Regards and a Happy, Productive 2011 to all Emacsers!