From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELisp function prototypes and local function name Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:01:31 +0900 Message-ID: <87mxk1crxg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87ei5fqz6h.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4f7pe2f.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o6arjpz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mxk27q3d.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871v1erb9j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8739ltrdix.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1302234971 14716 80.91.229.12 (8 Apr 2011 03:56:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 08 05:56:08 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q82nn-0001vk-OK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 05:56:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q82nn-0005EF-D1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:56:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54514 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q82nj-0005E9-Kp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q82ni-0004uo-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:56:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:34061) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q82ni-0004ui-EO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A88D9706B3; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:55:58 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 675BF1A27A8; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:01:31 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8739ltrdix.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.1.93a under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" eac2e6bd5b2c+ XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:138301 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > It looks like the XEmacs `function-arglist' is not useful, in any case. > It depends too much on the underlying implementation. Sure, but in XEmacs there's only one such (with three parts: one for subrs, one for lambda lists, and one for byte-code objects). Random third-party stuff won't work, but it doesn't have to; random third parties can and should use the defined API. That's hardly a controversial concept. Evidently this won't work in Emacs out of the box, but surely it's worth moving in that direction, and having third parties with "better ideas" for basic introspection contribute them to core rather than implement them in complex and fragile packages like eieio?