From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: zap-to-char too raw, or document Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:01:49 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87mxgdwd1u.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87myeydbea.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ipr1sqkm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310889749 23194 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2011 08:02:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 08:02:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 17 10:02:25 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiMIz-0000fC-99 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:02:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46887 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiMIy-0007d4-6E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:02:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44679) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiMIg-0007co-5m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiMIc-0002mQ-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:02:06 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiMIb-0002mI-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiMIa-0000XC-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:02:00 +0200 Original-Received: from p508eda85.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.218.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:02:00 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508eda85.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:02:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508eda85.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OmnSrTT5/UgnhHRYl14sTNRYdaA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142062 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > > > Should there be an interactive spec that allows reading one character, > > but allows input methods? Or does that make no sense? > > Yes, there should be such a spec. Personally, I would expect "c" to > be that spec. This does make sense both conceptually and > implementation-wise because input methods conceptually operate as a > "preedit" stage. I have my reservations about that. When reading a single character, you don't get to use backspace and other methods of amelioration, so c is often more useful for things like answering questions than editing. When I answer a y/n style question, I would not want to have a latin-1-postfix input method waiting in order to figure out whether I want to adorn my n with a ~ in order to get ñ. For zap-to-char, things look different. So I am with Lars in that there should be different interactive specs for with and without input methods, like we have s (without input method) and M (with current input method). -- David Kastrup