From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:33:04 +0530 Message-ID: <87mwtismo7.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ober717z.fsf@gmail.com> <87a9q8xt5b.fsf@gmail.com> <83ehfkjocu.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4jjks82.fsf@kwarm.red-bean.com> <878v5qbsz8.fsf@gmail.com> <871ubhn9k7.fsf@kwarm.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364803406 29801 80.91.229.3 (1 Apr 2013 08:03:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 08:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 01 10:03:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UMZiX-0005jC-81 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 10:03:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47422 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMZi8-00048H-PF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 04:03:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58342) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMZi2-000436-Pj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 04:03:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMZhx-000672-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 04:03:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com ([209.85.192.175]:34781) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMZhw-00066e-RI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 04:03:12 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id t10so1106673pdi.34 for ; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 01:03:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=ydhPTD79sBLfV9pILzLQCzxX2CRH1cmMZofZ7zg/gOw=; b=khWgYbuOopAWpLmBxbk42ftXWNo9hV13dnr1KyF4UossWdiiL61qXZ1EyOCH3BjCHq 2T8L6tuTE4RYewdTRGGNW7xfdhY8xSOvkqoquh/ZvnvBcmPp4sTmf92c/FRlsQOrLswe y3zLh8Dt/1lCwB5CC4T+g+KJ6WSv++hP6qQDznZJTIqvEk3RM231xjJCGVshtFS+Hh1B EY5d8i6HKvLJtrfLT7zAQvQZRuyBW1aSf4RWV2GEsEdGUgLGxtIzCXtzzxMneudJEyi7 aAfMD3m3kKt/gr7z6z3OSTDCZnn8f7U2ODcIJmru5doQs4zdDJODpUYhEYfCGDX7emY1 9N/A== X-Received: by 10.66.121.98 with SMTP id lj2mr17610836pab.166.1364803392106; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 01:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.170.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xc4sm12879527pbc.41.2013.04.01.01.03.08 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Apr 2013 01:03:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <871ubhn9k7.fsf@kwarm.red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:03:04 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158506 Archived-At: Karl Fogel writes: > Jambunathan K writes: >>> - Accept no further changes from him. >>> - Don't let him post on the dev mailing lists any more, period. >> >>I may have a stinking personality. But the code I write has a secular >>nature. The code doesn't take the smell of the hand it types. > > As W. Greenhouse also pointed out, the issue is not your code itself > (the quality of which is not in question) but the fact that people can't > count on your future code being usable in Emacs. People can't count on > *their* investment in your code having the anticipated payoff, for them. > That makes your future contributions unsafe; ergo, Emacs should not > accept them. > > I made this point pretty clearly in my orginal post, but make it again > here only in case anyone watching was thrown by your confusion of two > separate issues. I have nothing against you having an opinion on what should be done and nor do I shy of receiving adverse criticism on a public mailing list. Also the following article [1], http://lwn.net/Articles/543339/#Comments keeps reminding me that I am the one who has breached the trust. I don't think I have breached anyone's trust. I ported the ox-html.el and ox-odt.el exporters when no one else - including Bastien or Carsten - were available to invest substantial time to port the work. Remember this was done with the sole intention of off-loading some of the work of Nicolas Goaziou. Remember the porting was done when Ngz work was in alpha or late-alpha stage. (You seem to respond donning the hat of a community manager.) Bastien has been consistently rubbing me on the wrong side for a *very long* time. Do you think Bastien resorting to rewriting of history [2][3] is a proper etiquette? There is a limit to how absurd a person can behave. What is wrong, if I request that my work be reverted, given the circumstances? By continuing to work on Org-mode, I am supporting Bastien which I don't intend to. I don't approve of what he is doing (in his role as a maintainer) nor do I think that the generaly public should be coaxed in to responding favorably to Bastien's call for donations (particularly for impending Org-8.0 release.) [1] I have not received my $1 or any GNU stickers [2] http://orgmode.org/w/?p=org-mode.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7c776418868966b980a0b1be89bf7bfabde7685 [3] http://orgmode.org/w/?p=org-mode.git;a=commitdiff;h=72879342d8ba67fe3b1f3f8cb67f37bfffa1a529 Jambunathan K.