From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Oleh Krehel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..." Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:00:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87mvzng1ud.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87egkzg7gb.fsf@gmail.com> <558C2E25.10303@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435252091 12378 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2015 17:08:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 25 19:08:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8AdD-0005Ul-Jz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:08:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56712 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8AdD-0004QB-16 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:08:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58523) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8AcO-0003iB-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:07:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8AcJ-0005ic-Ao for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:07:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]:35425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8AcJ-0005iF-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: by wiga1 with SMTP id a1so170400792wig.0 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l6WMYmpniGqptV8a1nbLJV63nxlK56vaj3jn5KWsRbw=; b=bheKyr+n1HhuiWNt0aA8R4Da1WGNvEqL9ba3yhCK6ztGNqxc308uqbVQAP5+B/IFjr BgQ7NVyha4nT/9QlUHOkyPMcMI3yRTMKfpiolS5fgG4CxH24PGP6kGsywkbxmt+mWqAU iFbQhPWyHruf40qtloyuboBVHXxzg1Jw49IOZGJ/yl2MmSVQBdpzmgGDSbhEj2BPwiuF 1dOAplKCZ1L4hvAgfyfdpuAlKNMNpfIeEg6I2UC3gPo9mIZjFQ5Ms+sy7alkEeZmM6ot cdsWtOC2LAn4MeXandLK2BE+gZsKcq10rTFksZvKha81Uh+URGsu28GhST6WOUqVZjKX NPWQ== X-Received: by 10.194.110.100 with SMTP id hz4mr72988783wjb.6.1435252030653; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from firefly (dyn069045.nbw.tue.nl. [131.155.69.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l6sm8528931wib.18.2015.06.25.10.07.09 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:07:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <558C2E25.10303@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:36:53 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187526 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > With the current approach, the Emacs sources don't need to be changed My sole objection was that they were changed. And I thought that was the whole point of it: that you want the markup to be its own visual representation. > "Make =E2=80=98funcall/apply=E2=80=99 form to map SOURCE-ARGLIST to TARGE= T-ARGLIST...." This is already in the Emacs sources, so they were indeed changed. > "Press =E2=80=98h=E2=80=99 for complete help; press =E2=80=98?=E2=80=99 r= epeatedly for a summary" There should be a separate markup for quoting key bindings in my opinion. For example, Markdown has h, and I use ~h~ in my org-mode documents intended for HTML export.