From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:47:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87mvvnapq5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191EBE.5050404@yandex.ru> <83612essaw.fsf@gnu.org> <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <8337xispn2.fsf@gnu.org> <56195055.6010409@gmx.at> <83r3l2r1nf.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3l0ndk2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444675701 6761 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2015 18:48:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Steinar Bang , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 20:48:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zli8j-0006cT-RZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:48:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58069 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zli8i-0004wa-Tw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:48:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zli8P-0004tt-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:47:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zli8O-0002Ji-8t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:47:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zli8C-0002Hx-NR; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:47:32 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59422 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zli8C-0008As-4I; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:47:32 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7EFFE0F01; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:47:30 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83r3l0ndk2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:31:57 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191379 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Steinar Bang >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:12:22 +0200 >> >> >>>>> Eli Zaretskii : >> >> > To me, an IDE is not a set of functionalities. It's a coherent >> > application that provides an IDE-like look-and-feel, and all the >> > related functions already integrated and ready for me to be used. >> > That includes window-layout, btw, because configuring Emacs windows >> > for IDE-like behavior is an exceedingly complex task, one that's >> > impossible without good command of ELisp. >> >> Ah, there we differ. I don't care about the layout and would feel >> constrained in that layout. >> >> But I do want the functionalities. > > The interesting question is what the youngsters want (or expect) these > days. You and me are sold long ago. So what? I'm more interested in things that make Emacs better than things that made Visual C++ better. It's one thing to put lipstick on a pig, but an octopus might not even have a good place for it. -- David Kastrup