From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-25 2460cfa: * doc/lispref/lists.texi (Association Lists): Document 'alist-get'. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:52:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87mvs1ieql.fsf@web.de> References: <20160116143238.27391.97533@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <8737ttx5dm.fsf@web.de> <83oachbgz0.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb6pih39.fsf@web.de> <83h9i9besq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453229574 10662 80.91.229.3 (19 Jan 2016 18:52:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 19 19:52:46 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aLbOX-0005Or-Az for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:52:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38828 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLbOT-00033S-F5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:52:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36870) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLbOG-00032c-Ue for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:52:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLbOG-00048b-6g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:52:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:61095) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLbOA-00046Q-Oj; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.77.162.209]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lk8T4-1ZjWkT3JYQ-00c5pD; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:52:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83h9i9besq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:32:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:waDsG8+qw/0ovD+IVbfH/U2YHW6G4TMKV4s6LkwgGF06J8n5zHW GGAmdl5f/bgKibJbsH61TLmbLBCZnr6PEOLY4JNJcZeQof3ab9on5u5b4AxAPSF4I6DkQde 0vsprucgHBA9ip/9RGTHIPzPgJyvd6V3vCOw58uLdW7EXU7/GFSAP84Iuc5h2XDBhctKpT9 0re9RAQj5u5mkTrIE99gA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:oS0CszbBuyM=:e3S2K4COZhjSinPIAg7eEN q7QJDHYBgxCo7jTqYChoTdrSVfULUa6eFkRwMG8AIAJyaGGXGwx+Wl+ef4If8B5lYaWIIYEvU f01tpbXZLYdKTH9C/IgXCdtxgXJ7BSYY331r8WM5FZY5phCaLNVCwr5dxWG0ox+/bIUyRiQ/9 TZ40KGe+93EVdga+L2KWNQWvAjaK0jbbwGQRYRVFVoZcIoF9MhwsgsKZwcuYvSi68DzHU48Sl sAc38qV+Gsy8vcou1ZAqZaY+8lhEfpQR3O+eiUZyF7aTUa942TOLhpCdIibqHfrKrMXI+JGWr BppUvSu8aA4oCJTYCdpE28Hgh14t57zlPvAjeeB8HLJsxRPeeoQqAB497eT/kZxKdPQrRbhuv BXu5WxfhNstHpIIlcAJPfjbDJ5QeOqmqO5r1ODMKscbnc7wmCog7bNlsYfBI+cs0g8UeKaQuh YMGcQcy70qcWJyr2hAJLp40yyz5MZuCJC5IOECa8O5Ql+/krbOLcidMNAo0NTaNHRQPqdt3YA nxUurucP7Wu+BVvaZGH/Mb8CUB6jhQT36zvn30BeBURPsVXUJPRXpt8IFWulxNBoJGOX0PMPj y9pBK9OcIImTrDJxG1b9uYXNsLYDZQOdnpp2tumATSL+kK1/NeeCdr6VyFT0p6FiCm7C7YE70 nQZHYh2J1aD8TEMz4MQwP5IFB2cKKZerz3TdGBjmUY/N52Rty3cQBiTrMc0cS1tVYXSvxDGWt LtxloHUy2aUs5gxbIEuqnFlesx90nGe76X6bOnG2drOUCrV2068AWE3bFU+ewfwLAN2Sne4i X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198380 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I think setf'ing alist-get is the preferred way now to change the value > > associated to a key. If it is, it should be discoverable in some way, > > because it is an important functionality. Unlike other functions that > > are setf'able, in this case we have no equivalent setter function > > defined, i think. > > Isn't 'cdr' also in that class? No, we have setcdr. > As well as at least a few others? Dunno. Which ones? > For the record, that doc string almost made me weep in frustration -- > about my own stupidity, no doubt, since I couldn't make heads or tails > out of it, when I compared it with the actual code (including studying > the _only_ use of it in the context of a gv setter, AFAICT). Maybe _only_ because few people know about it. The problem I want to solve is: Now that assoc.el is obsolete, there is no replacement for `aput' besides setf'ing alist-get. Manipulating alists is a thing sometimes necessary for customizing Emacs, it is useful for end users. They should not need to study source code. Michael.