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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199228 Archived-At: Per Starb=C3=A4ck writes: > I brought up earlier that the new character fold feature that still > hasn't been in any released version of Emacs shouldn't be turned on by > default when it debuts. FTR, My opinion on this is still as you quoted: >> I don't mind leaving this OFF by default in Emacs 25. So long as the >> eventual goal is to have it ON by default (preferably in 26). I do also share Eli's opinion, that it would be nice to get as much (pre)testing as possible before the release. However, it's likely I'll grow a little absent from this list in the next few months, so it's entirely possible I'll miss out on the chance to turn this OFF before release. Does anyone volunteer to switch OFF this default shortly before release? If not, I'll just do it now. > I know how the current character fold version is *just wrong* for > Swedes and other Scandinavians when handling their native languages. The current version just follows the Unicode standard (plus a few ad-hoc rules related to quotation marks), whose authors have certainly spent a lot more time on this than us. This is just a polite way of saying =E2=80=9Cwe're not catering to any languages, take any complaints up with t= hat other team=E2=80=9D. Of course, that doesn't mean we can't improve support to specific languages/locales in the future. But I've mentioned before I don't want to start designing APIs or sophisticated features on top of the current implementation before seeing how it fares =E2=80=9Cin the wild=E2=80=9D for= at least one release. > =3D=3D=3D Option menu =3D=3D=3D > > Also, please please add a checkbox for character folding just above or > below the one for case folding in the Options menu!! Yes, please!