From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:48:39 +0100 Message-ID: <87mvq6wcyw.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fhamxwq.fsf@gnu.org> <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83mvq6l4qc.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457624961 14602 80.91.229.3 (10 Mar 2016 15:49:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Phillip Lord To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 16:49:06 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ae2pf-0006sU-J1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:48:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49241 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae2pe-0000bm-Sv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:48:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae2pa-0000Zf-OS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:48:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae2pZ-0002Ru-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:48:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:47439) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae2pU-0002RM-5h; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:48:48 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F3A9F50EE; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:48:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K07H1E2eFd2r; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:48:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [109.232.24.28]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F07419F50EC; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:48:39 +0100 (CET) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.6 In-reply-to: <83mvq6l4qc.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201396 Archived-At: On 2016-03-10, at 16:42, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:07:26 +0000 >> >> The tutorial is not wrong, nor is it missing anything. It's just >> didactically from a different time, and I am sure it's putting many >> people off. > > I think we'd welcome patches to bring it to this time, thanks. The question is: should the tutorial be patched, or rewritten from scratch? Emacs used to be a text editor. Now it is almost an operating system, with email clients, Org-mode etc. Maybe (maybe!) the tutorial should e.g. mention Org-mode? Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University