From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Org as the source format to generate org.texi Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 11:19:30 +0000 Message-ID: <87muzh8pj1.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <878tb5axms.fsf@bzg.fr> <6630c346-1b5a-d265-2b3a-05c4f7c497c6@cs.ucla.edu> <87muzk4tzs.fsf@gnu.org> <0ma7vjsrzi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520594539 10583 195.159.176.226 (9 Mar 2018 11:22:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:22:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: Paul Eggert , Nicolas Goaziou , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Bastien , THOMAS DYE , Carsten Dominik To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 09 12:22:15 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1euG6G-0002aH-7X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 12:22:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44559 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euG8H-0007ZT-Iy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 06:24:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euG7N-0007Vy-1H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 06:23:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euG7M-0001g3-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 06:23:21 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:38909) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euG7G-0001UF-OK; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 06:23:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5KrMRHEbyFBSOc57nfIzXEdqDT6XTl0Mpe1BUDCL8vo=; b=aDNs4i4TtvHk9D5vbJ15ky9iJg 2kUyQFPlgJ9hN2ZLqwhwSVotO0CgjpSM6LNooPC6vEVGX5fe/xDpYDlFp14ZozyKoFGpJUxTHjm37 /jGgjJVXAiIoTxo5qWOniZnk59qEslwU4T9Br+pdGYPKyn9udlTXT+FTtn1nyDwYBXpnku0AE70jP Hz4aB1Mz2yUnp+4QJFPcSiNGUqa1cr+3BaMFSo4Fu4S0U1xzNGqgUdO9xxCYALFElNA8bIOH7mzzG 4gv9LOwHPsxaePjTwA5W5vrGYi+0DRKAPuq6fi/rlaIJSQXHUEEIfULHWALyY+aEAayIu6o5mmsqz Z9ESB6QQ==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-124.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.124]:47723 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1euG6Z-0038wz-1a; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 11:22:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0ma7vjsrzi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 07 Mar 2018 12:41:37 -0500") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223535 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: > Paul Eggert wrote: > >> I assume that we'd add something like this to doc/misc/Makefile.in: >> >> EXEEXT =3D @EXEEXT@ >> EMACS =3D ../src/emacs$(EXEEXT) >> EMACSOPT =3D -batch --no-site-file --no-site-lisp >> emacs =3D EMACSLOADPATH=3D '$(EMACS)' $(EMACSOPT) >> >> $(srcdir)/org.texi: $(srcdir)/org-manual.org >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $(AM_V_GEN)$(emacs) -l something --eval '(something)'= something >> >> Some other tweaking will be needed, but the crucial thing is to get >> that last line right. > > Note that this will make info generation depend on the existence of > src/emacs, when it was previously independent. Which would shove generation of the documentation till after dumping. I don't know enough about make to work out whether this would be for just org.org or for all the texi. > Also, if any other manual made the same change, it would prevent > bootstrapping Emacs without Org present (eg if the idea to include elpa > packages in Emacs releases ever goes anywhere, and it's desired to stop > duplicating Org in the Emacs repo; an idea which still makes complete > sense to me). Confused on this one. bootstrapping needs the documentation to be complete? Phil