From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bloat in the Emacs Windows package Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:55:39 +0100 Message-ID: <87mukh220k.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <83a7gofv94.fsf@gnu.org> <83k1fqcv4t.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhomoz8s.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="44245"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 22 22:56:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hIfzD-000BLL-5b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 22:56:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44188 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIfzC-0008GW-4K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:56:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIfya-0008GF-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIfyZ-00025c-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:55:44 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:47936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIfyY-00024G-S0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:55:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rXKZ1ujqozjBxVFa4p8Mjh+PZjY9Lb7yBSCPYM+uP30=; b=GHq0RbTsGaz3AwpNopqZ0eiRS5 m4NLI0gX7TQ+AfoDL87Y8P4bkfmV45sMH2y/PZSSEsG/tYRGeJ5WKJZsAYxUWuGSRyNIUBLt8Jh8B BgtOEju9k6KPd8jhCgNtGtYuCYHpqKHQBzt5CMClrQCFVvkU1QN+AGGsvMdPQ/6D67GL9psQUL4N9 PVkElT9f0Hx7JLe8E4QmFh8Y5njwTIAG89Q3KTkjEBsxS/+gA8P8Sb/J1Lgw+i0gNJ9Se5LeTwkL5 JctwhaIJx9hco2XBOhz5H53V9084JT6gpX3tdWzpxi2ziO3CTU5EpKSeMWRTgaRKwoJqvfVymG61m Bm76IH4g==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:60878 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1hIfyW-0000KF-Rj; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:55:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zhomoz8s.fsf@telefonica.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=93scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Fri, 19 Apr 2019 16:17:55 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235787 Archived-At: =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> Are all those dependencies necessary? >> >> The answer depends on what you intend to do with Emacs. > > Phillip goes to great lengths to be helpful, but IMO he is distributing > too much stuff. There are plenty of dlls on the Emacs /bin directory > with potential to break things. It would break my setup for sure, > because it contains the tcl/tk dlls that will interfere with what I have > installed. I think that there are two plausible options here. The first is the one that Chris from Emacs-W64 took. He put the DLLs for the direct dependencies in (libjpg, libgif and so on) and some others. That's nice, but it doesn't fulfil all parts of Emacs functionality -- for example, M-x find-dired doesn't work, nor does flyspell because they lack find and aspell. The other option is to do what I have done; I have taken Emacs direct dependencies and pulled in all the transistive dependencies according to MSYS2, right or wrong. So M-x find-dired does work (as do images and as does package.el). In the process you also get tcl/tk and, indeed, python. Some things still do not work (so auctex can't compile because of no latex). I choose the later because I didn't want to hand-maintain a list of dependencies for myself. This would be a significant task and one that it would be hard to perform well, especially in the absence of a test set for all of Emacs' functionality. I am happy to consider a more minimal distribution of Emacs but I need to know a way of producing this minimal dependency list. The code for this is in admin/nt/dist-build. I welcome any amendments to this, but it has to be automatic. In the mean time, you have the choice of a dependency free version for when faced with issues like tcl/tk. Phil