From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using eww as browser for Emacs internals and documentation Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:59:16 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87mubggj7v.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87pngggdma.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87bls0t00q.fsf@gnus.org> <87woammyb4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfr1wxo6.fsf@gnu.org> <87mubhduqh.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <87zhfg2i9b.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="177722"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 25 23:05:17 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ikEmL-000k6H-2u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:05:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49502 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ikEmJ-0000Cx-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 17:05:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44553) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ikEkz-0007U1-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 17:03:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ikEkx-00026j-Kf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 17:03:52 -0500 Original-Received: from bisque.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.18]:27693) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ikEkv-00024H-IA; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 17:03:49 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5093D1A1758; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 22:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a89.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-206-10.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.206.10]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A834A1A06E7; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 22:03:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a89.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243632 Archived-At: >> Web browsers support the officially registered URI scheme 'about' >> to reveal internal state and built-in functions: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About_URI_scheme >> >> There is one 'about' URI, namely 'about:protocols' >> already implemented in Emacs in lisp/url/url-about.el >> Then why not to support more 'about' URIs like: >> >> about:memory - with data returned from 'garbage-collect' >> about:processes >> about:timers >> about:buffers >> etc. > > Web browsers support this sort of thing because that's a nice ad-hoc way > to display data that you don't want to have in the menus. > > I don't see why Emacs should emulate that odd approach to hiding > information, especially since Emacs already has commands to display all > this data in a sensible manner. Like I said, `M-x list-timers' will > always be better (for the users) than dumping some data into HTML and > letting shr render it. It would take a lot time and huge effort to implement all these URI resources. It is a great relief for me to know this is not something that would be desirable. Thanks for saving my time :)