From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:30:19 +0800 Message-ID: <87mu77bz6c.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="53210"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= , Richard Stallman , Ahmed Khanzada , "joseph.h.garvin@gmail.com" , "stefan@marxist.se" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , "eliz@gnu.org" , "drew.adams@oracle.com" To: ndame Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 19 11:31:23 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ6IM-000Diq-VK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:31:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39624 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ6IM-0005Yf-0M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 05:31:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ6HT-0004gb-6Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 05:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ6HS-0002ke-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 05:30:26 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic316-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.148]:42715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ6HR-0002fP-JO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 05:30:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1587288623; bh=q4WgbobyvCJIG2ezy41nVN794dKYrVsxXpE+tEhx80c=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=iY0SzmcYZrx9IQ3GdUg/UZsfiZI2+n08yhw+K0pkDwMLXVzKpQ+QXB4gzwPEgHYskitCfOaezbExx6ulNzc+YXRXRg28zKGXdeC3Szwl5OcFylEE9Iy0sewchtitH2oBFJJ/0JDlUVoUpD0SApzgKTEDtyBnpYkgmRG2Kj47xLRs8fRTItWQTW6tyjhRng/3RT+wI+E4JzU8Ktuu30omsHbBRw+WcY6nUiauOFTj0tEPwtCMOUXFAyEZGP4gXjwDcNvdLM0ICMc93u6OlxMbMoTf07WLNfLPmGQ1gpR0L58yCL9b+g7FABick2wq5vqoBLx9YjyaxEJi3UHlMA1zAw== X-YMail-OSG: uwNYuxcVM1krZFv4gKhL1DkT_E_ENOIEnl2gc5dy6TmGWvJgSs1SEs4z9fsT.7q 0KDTAFHrvotFunhsMmbxwmB_Nohxn_hMGvvc6RaIeVmBl4ne9vi8BF2BEF4OKO.i8.CbolN2ca0U 6NzS_XvoM7rLVBjF3y.7tbA9w1MvpLQY2Q9XNzXoV0LPrXXbBBGGiIwWWTo3TO9b9rGGFb8xckjc 0EfFzl71KuCL8FzbZh_2qz5QGXE6WJonTFVFqFNChsSq5HsFZwI.NEQmu_Tw_daX2MPMK6EixqCF x_6SyxrC8NckDFpMdHOv55DfHWOgfI80g9wNvaZWBQoPFnbw8fNhzvEUEanbW59Y5mnKQLuuvlSe lMBi4myI3HPESiFh.Q256aRJBvKQ6NkKb20PbGe.m3hwtZo0De88fnkrjUmq0HG2ApQ.O5JXKrNX icojqgA_W32_2zYkBY_1MXocx7r8rlhAK9554KeHmIXRe0TyoUY358bPVJg5Zj2r16DqF3schR7y tNCRxPCaFmP09behxixkgdio3UpMCOLR3DhGkHdeCh2wyb5SJraw7iW6WAxr6ZutvOMrh7k5mH5d PpHSvSnrSy6QvEcKTidRZZtM0ZY1IyUfZ6MZ8NlOAIgd_lH7o4l154EKJdR35mBIMWmYWxVC5gRu UTeTCoAItSrvrBFZIW0Srzcs0a5EIYexDHVp5TNOkZgXVJg2YfW6PmOPrAyi7kgDuA.GaFJ6P7c. jFF3GHOmwYu0YI4_AHwOUlPdSVq8Vfs6xXQ5Ri_EQgxuK0UnyVG3L5pBgDHf_x7p2btELRAJ9tZi iTnbhgYrVbWunerHa3TmO8FEIfc5iJw5YR3gipUnEp Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic316.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:30:23 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp432.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d1a8cbf1745d7b6a92857648a8b936b7; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:30:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (ndame@protonmail.com's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2020 08:25:16 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15651 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.187.148; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic316-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Received-From: 66.163.187.148 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247303 Archived-At: ndame writes: > A button can work too. Or if emacs is started with no config file then it can > ask "Are you using Emacs for the first time?" If the user says yes then it > can offer to set some convenience features like CUA mode. > > And if the user says no then everything is as usual. The latter now occours to me as being the best solution. Thanks for bringing it up. I believe it would be nice if we had both too.